In this photo:
Liberals confronted with the fact that Biden IS committing genocide, right now.
Sure, Trump might do the same, after Dems throw the election to him once again. But Genocidin’ Biden is doing it right now. Voting harder for him in November certainly won’t change that. Why are liberals so in love with genocide?
Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and that message wasn’t lost on anyone in the middle East.
Although Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians has ALWAYS been grotesque, this move was intended to embolden Israel and piss the fuck out of everyone else.
I’m not saying this caused the current state of events, but it certainly was another straw on the camels back.
Biden is also making Ukraine better right now (or trying), while Trump is right now working against Ukraine.
So both are gonna commit genocide, one now, one later, but both aren’t going to help Ukraine, and one will help destroy it. Your numbers game doesn’t add up.
If Trump was in power now he’d be doing the same, because it’s an America thing, not a President thing.
This is an interesting take. You seem to think that Biden has unilateral power to decide treaties and spending. Also, that he can pass whichever law he wants. It’s almost like you don’t understand how 2 of the 3 branches of government work. Did you take a civics class in high school?
Trump literally tried to overthrow democracy.
We all know the American voting system is absolutely shit and forces people to choose the lesser evil.
But trump is an actual fascist.
Yeah this is my point - when confronted with Biden’s wrongdoing, the gut reaction is “but what about Trump?”
How come it isn’t “Let’s hold Biden accountable”?
In which ways do you propose holding Biden accountable that won’t end with helping a fascist traitor come to power?
Can you give one example?
Sure, but you aren’t going to like it:
Don’t vote for him. (And don’t vote for the orange dotard either.)
How will getting Trump elected in November stop the genocide now?
When has withholding your vote brought about a positive change? It’s not like a boycott because there no financial incentive.
The only metric that matters when voting is what percentage of active votes chose you, inactive voters have chosen to silence themselves.
Bold assumption about not voting, this isn’t what I’m advocating at all. I think it’s important to vote in every race you can, even in such a corrupt and fundamentally broken system as ours.
I’m saying don’t vote for Hitler, and also don’t vote for 99% Hitler.
Ah, you’re privileged enough to think you’re insulated from any actual consequences of the election and fuck those other people, right?
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool…
Is there any third option in the ballot? Not voting is as good as voting anyone you think is worse
Jill Stein is running, but there are going to be a lot of states where her name won’t make it onto the ballot, although she can be written in.
I’m thankful to have ranked choice voting in my state. Every state should push for it as much as possible. Generally, the people who are against RCV are the ones who benefit from restricting the will and voting power of the voters.
Usually people advocating not to vote for Biden are advocating for voting for PSL or another third party, not abstaining.
Not meaningfully in a first past the post vote. Ranked choice or some other alternative, then sure…
So, no, you don’t.
Voting for Trump ISN’T holding Biden accountable though. It IS putting a right wing wannabe fascist in office. The American people can still hold Biden accountable for his actions without forfeiting their right to vote. Trump Literally wants to be Putin. I don’t approve of Biden, but given the choice I would want him over Trump.
More Lemmy.ml propaganda.
Trump isn’t going to make the situation in Gaza any better but I can guarantee he will make the situation in Ukraine worse.
I’d say Biden is the much better choice if you look at it at all critically.
Trump isn’t going to make the situation in Gaza any better
He’s openly islamophobic so I can’t imagine he wouldn’t make things much worse there, too.
Trump should be rotting in prison by now. He isn’t because Biden and the other establishment dems want to fundraise off of him, just one last time…
If you think about things critically, it becomes clear that Dems are making the situation far worse for the whole world. Please, try to think beyond short term profits for military contractors and arms manufacturers.
Biden is a terrible President but American’s should vote for him because its a realistic probability that if Trump gets in, there’ll be no more elections to vote in.
I mean the American government is terrible. And you don’t become president of the U.S without promising the chums that you’ll keep the war machine going. All Presidents will do this, it’s about the other things they do, and don’t do.
Biden is status quo, which is bad, but at least the status quo is democracy.
Relative to many other presidents Biden is fine.
Democracy is a terrible form of government, but it’s worlds better than every other alternative.
When you keep say things like Biden is commiting genocide then you’re completely misusing the term and that makes everyone dismissive of what you’re saying.
I simply won’t take your opinion seriously on any topic because saying that is just completely ridiculous and using the word in that context is a cheap hack to try and win arguments.
Oh ok, so you suggest that Biden admin isn’t in control here, and that he instead works for Netanyahu? I don’t disagree, but I do find it pathetic.
And now it’s the wierd conspiracy where Jews control the world. Very nice argument.
The reality is a lot more complex. You might be able to claim Biden is complicit but certainly not actively committing it.
Jews control the world is a big step beyond my claim, and I suspect a bit disingenuous on your part.
Most Zionist president in history of USA eagerly licks Bibi’s boots and runs cover for him to commit never ending stream of war crimes. He circumvents Congress to send billions in funding and American made bombs which have been used to slaughter 10s of thousands of innocent civilians, and leverages his security council standing to prevent the UN from doing a damn thing about it.
There, is that more palatable phrasing for you?
And now it’s the wierd conspiracy where Jews control the world.
I know you are the type of person to call anyone criticizing israel as Anti-semite
You are just projecting at this point
I mean… it’s pretty objectively genocide.
You can argue trump would genocide worse. But it’s still happening
No Biden is not committing Genocide. Nor would Trump be.
Now the situation in Gaza might get much worse under Trump but the US president is not the one ordering around the IDF.
You’re right they’ve only been complicit in aiding genocide. Thanks that’s a lot better!
And yes, the current US executive branch is the one that is currently directly preventing the UN from say sending blue helmets to Gaza to enforce a ceasefire and stop the genocide.
They’re pretty well enabling genocide, which is more or less similar to committing genocide for most people.
Plus if trump wins then there’s the whole plan the Republicans have for subverting our democracy after that
And the whole them wanting to eliminate quite a few rights for queer folk, women, etc.
Biden ain’t perfect but he’s getting my vote for president this election FOR SURE.
Local elections are going to be fun as well because we’ve got some fascist that are going to be running in addition to the other people. So it’s going to be a rough local election. But given that we swung blue for the first time and many years 2 elections ago I have hope.
Trump will amplify genocide. He was pushing for dictators to do this. He is directly responsible for arming Netanyahu.
Trump doesn’t even think Arabs are human.
He has screamed from the rooftops that he wants to commit genocide.
But because he’s not in power now he can’t.
Giving him power is voting to commit genocide yourself.
Damn bro, need to get those liberal brain worms checked out before there’s nothing left!
We’ve been arming Israel since at least the 1970s. Coincidentally, this was also around the same time we armed Bin Laden’s group.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Biden genociding now, but in your expert opinion, Trump will genocide more? This is precisely the point of my post. It’s illegal for Biden to facilitate this genocide per US federal law. You are basically saying because you don’t like the prospect of a Trump fascist state, that Biden is above the law. I couldn’t disagree more, Biden needs to be held accountable. In this alleged democracy, that should happen at the ballot box.
What rigid and inflexible world view does to a motherfucker.
You’re so anal about purity that you’d vote for a man that would gleeful behead you in the square.
Does Biden think he’s above the law? Clearly. So has every US president. That doesn’t make him a fascist - just the asshole status quo that has always existed.
ROFL…. Misinformation at its finest.
Usually kids start to understand that problems aren’t necessarily binary around pre-pubescence. Not so the average Lemmy user evidently.
Or as a great man put it: you’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists!
I’ve noticed this is exceptionally pronounced on Lemmy, and I don’t know if it’s a leftist mindset (btw, conservatives are identical in this outlook). Everything --I mean everything – is a binary concept. If you’re not up, then you’re definitely down. If you’re pro Israel, you’re definitely anti Palestine. If you’re pro Biden you’re absolutely anti progressive. There is absolutely nothing in between. Only children and conservatives view the world like this.
i used to always use the phrase “liberals would vote for hitler when given the chance” as a hyperbolic statement. looks like i was even more right than i thought.
death to america! death to israel! death to genocide joe!
I don’t need Hexbear users. Watching Biden tell Israel they need to do a better job of protecting civilians after yet another Isreali precision strike on a civilian aid convoy does it just fine.
You cannot support a genocide and get my vote.
“Vote for the lesser of two evils? Bah! I won’t vote at all!*”
*and help the fascist who is super pro-genocide get into office. This will definitely help the Palestinians and as a Trump presidency helps the Israelis rain firey death upon them, they will die proud that I stood resolute in my convictions. Their deaths will be worth it!
If my choice is genocide or extra genocide then I choose the streets.
How very noble.
Enjoy the streets while the rest of society cleans up the mess you neglected 🤷
That’s cute buddy.
Let’s see how long you last in the streets with GOP enabled cops and Christo-fascists.
Those who speak of revolution never think of ending up as dead, do they?
These kinds of comments annoy me so much, not because you don’t want to support genocide, I don’t want either but because the “you can’t get my vote”, politics are a game of lesser evil, you literally can’t get someone who will be perfect in every aspect of your and everyone’s opinions, when you don’t vote you literally just give up your future to chance, what happens when didn’t vote gets the most votes since nobody was good enough in so many people’s opinion? Well the next guy will get into power just because he was second because he knows how to do propaganda to get other people to vote him, and trust me, just getting someone assigned as a president just because you didn’t give a crap is the most shitty thing that can happen, especially in a country where the president has so much power like the US
Politics is not a game of lesser evils. Oligarchies are. I’m perfectly willing to vote for someone who doesn’t share all of my policy preferences. I’m not willing to vote for genocide.
Are you 15?
You have embarrassingly simplistic view of politics.
Let’s say there’s a trolley that’s on a track going to hit millions of people. You’re standing next to a lever and can make it change tracks where it’ll only kill thousands. Do you pull the lever?
This is your choice. Inaction is still a choice. You have the ability to participate in something shitty that can make things less shitty than they would be. You also have the choice to stand by and watch as millions die because you wanted to play moral high ground. You will have made a choice and their deaths will be on you. You should think about them when you go to sleep and how you failed them. They’ll be dead because you couldn’t hold your nose and pull the lever.
You’ll be participating in genocide no matter what, only it will be much worse than it could have been because of you.
Can’t wait for these memes to be the only thing on lemmy for the next 7 months
Don’t support the genocide, don’t vote for Biden or trump. Vote psl instead.
Google America search for psl 2004:
2024 Pakistan Super League
Good job, Google. No you fuckwit! I wanted to know who the psl is running in 2024.
psl party 2024: finally got me what I wanted.
Edited my shit. You should vote for the Pakistani super league tho…. I bet soccer players would stone cold do a better job than the average member of congress.
Sortition 2024!
Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is “only” Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn’t matter that he’s an active participant in the apparatus that’s creating the genocide, because if he’s in office there’s less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it’s not a bad idea.
TLDR: if you encourage people to not vote for Biden, that’s supporting genocide. Accelerationism never works for us.
No.
I’m going to not support the genocide and I’m going to accomplish this by not voting for the parties and candidates supporting it directly.
I’m not going to make a utility calculation. I’m not going to try to participate less in the probabilistic social apparatus.
I’m going to vote for a party and candidate that didn’t do a genocide and isn’t going to do a genocide.
I’m not going to make a utility calculation.
Refusing to do the right thing isn’t noble.
I’m afraid you’re confused. Not voting for the candidate literally doing genocide is the right thing.
You know, because it’s right to not support genocide.
Biden isn’t doing a genocide. He’s indirectly making it easier by supplying weapons to the people who are, but is also threatening to withhold them if they continue. It’d be best if you think about the situation instead of blindly criticizing the admittedly bad president.
There’s a lot to criticize Biden for. Part of that is him not doing enough to prevent genocide, but if that’s the same as literally doing genocide, then by telling people it’s wrong to vote for him you are also committing genocide, because you are actively fighting against people trying to mitigate 3 genocides, including the one you’re upset about.
the point is elections in bourgeois elections dont make a difference. while at the same time the vote for Biden or else crowd are way more adamant that there is a correct way to vote, even participating but voting for the wring candidate, one who aligns with your values, is not good enough.
liberals have brainworms, so bought into the status quo they can’t imagine not voting for for one rapist and genocidal maniac, or the other
Anyone who uses ‘bourgeois’ in a serious discussion probably just learned that term in highschool.
I will never miss a chance to dunk on those pathetic fucks.
I’m just glad that I was born far, far away from the USA.
Well at least we have that in common.
Posting to lemmy world so hex bears can’t respond because you are a coward lol
You say that like people are only allowed to use one instance and hexbears aren’t leaking out of their chambers like shit in a siev.
Found one!
93 comments so far, nice :-D
😂 The Trump supporter calls me a bootlicker?!
but it’s not the hexbears making these memes…?
Nice meme. Got to add some more idiots to my blocklist. 🙏
“All of the millions and millions of people worldwide who are further left than me (enlightened centerist american) are babies”.
Good lord. Imagine being this out of touch.
Good lord. Imagine being this out of touch.
Oh, the irony!
signed by a communist
In what world are Hexbear users MAGA hat wearers
They are a bunch of MAGA trolls LARPing as “leftists”.
They seem to think that a Trump Presidency will force the DNC to revise their platform and instantly purge all liberals from the party. It’s a pipe dream.
It’ll work. Elect clone of Hitler and scare the leftists further left.
Makes sense.
It’s not like dude is all ego or something like that. He’ll surely accept that he can’t have 10 terms.
Thank fuck he’s so old and didn’t start his shit in the 80s/90s. Seriously.
It’s scary that there’s this many people with such an absolutely atrocious understanding of politics on Lemmy alone, let alone nationwide.
I mean, refusing to vote for Biden while knowing full well it means Trump will get elected makes someone a Trump supporter.
Your take is as stupid as those tankies.
it’s the truth. hard to swallow, but the truth.
it’s how the American electoral system works.
It’s mathematically how FPTP works electorally. Change fptp or get off the shitter and vote.
I’m not really involved in US politics, but how do you change the voting system away from FPTP while still voting for Biden, who (as far as I’m aware) supports FPTP?
Better yet, do both. You can do both!
I’m sure you already know this, but reading through some of these comments makes me suspect others might need the prompting.
Absolutely, but you won’t change fptp with a slim majority in the house. Or with Trump in office. Everything else is just grandstanding. That’s all it is. Vacuous hot air grandstanding. Make change happen or shut up. Don’t want to vote? Then shut up because you are contributing to less change. That’s right: mathematically that’s the only outcome. Don’t vote: you’re pushing the needle back. Work for change or shut up. The grandstanding is so tiring.
In fact, voting will play a part in changing fptp. The only people wanting to change that (as far as I’m aware at least, and who actually have a chance) are running as democrats. Sure, most democrats suck, but they are working on things like this in the party.
We’re speaking facts, not ideology. It’s effectively what you’re doing.
It doesn’t make you a Trump supporter. For many it just makes them principled. There’s no need to gaslight people because you don’t agree with them.
No, as said: I’m not talking about ideology.
Ideologically they might be principled. But practically they make it easier for Trump to win than if they’d recognize the real implications of the fucked up US voting system and vote for the lesser evil. And making it easier for a candidate to win is effectively support.
It makes you a Trump supporter because your actions make it easier for Trump to win.
Blame the 2 party system, but them’s the brakes.
This is such a bankrupt and soulless view of both ethics and humanity.
If you really oppose “BiDeN’s gENoCiDe” why play political games?
Why not take direct action, it seems to be the virtue signaled by all the tankies supporting trump?
Principles are for idiots
I don’t believe that. They’re important and we all come to our principles for our own reasons.
In this situation principles are stupid because you go against your own principles by letting the guy who will make things even worse win. Trump won’t stop supporting Israel (he’s the guy who recognized that Jerusalem as its capital) but he will stop supporting Ukraine, encouraging another genocide.
That it the most misguided logic. What about if George Carlin didn’t vote in this election, like he didn’t when whe was alive? Would that make him a Trump supporter?
Lol, your message is “don’t vote for Biden” not “don’t vote because voting is bullshit”.
Stop being obtuse, your political games are tired.
No, I’m saying that not voting for “the right” candidate isn’t equivalent to supporting “the wrong” candidate in any situation - It’s using your vote. You suggest that the two parties have the right to hold our vote hostage because “the other guy is worse”, and I say that’s wrong and no one should stand for it. If I’m not allowed to vote for who I want because my vote is “wasted” or because you tell me I might as well be voting for the other guy, then what is a vote for?
Quit being obtuse. The time for “the right” candidate is in the primaries. The general is for forming coalitions.
What about if George Carlin didn’t vote in this election…
I’m pretty confident he won’t be. And to make an assumption about his hypothetical practice in a situation he never encountered is simply ascribing your views to his with a false veneer of authority.
I live in Florida, where Biden has zero chance. Tell me how voting for Biden is better than pissing in the wind. I’ll vote for the socialist candidate to at least help show that movement getting larger.
Now that we have a six week abortion ban, with abortion on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment, and one for legalized recreational marijuana, there is a very significant chance for Florida to be in play.
Many people here are very upset with the state of insurance, especially homeowners. The Biden campaign just came out and said they will be targeting Florida to flip it.
Every vote will count, remember a few thousand votes gave us Rick Scott, we have a chance to remove him as well. There’s a lot at stake this year.
I’m definitely voting on the ballot measures. But unless something drastically changes it’s not gonna even be close here on the president
So we can bring up the popular vote again as argument to get rid of gerrymandering.
Also, if everyone thinks like that then it you would never notice how many actually voted a certain way.
You are playing into the Republicans playbook.
Tells leftist money and strategists that there are blue voters there, they just need to put the money and time there. Make it so Republicans spend more money in your district next election cycle, which means less somewhere else.
You should already be there on election to vote for reps in congress, state issues, what’s one more mark of a pen for Biden?
Republican spend so much time/money suppressing voter turnout/the ability to vote. If you don’t vote, you’re literally giving them one of the things they want most.
I think my socialist vote tells the DNC there’s even further left people here and they should move more left if they want any chance in hell of capturing it. Or at least that’s the ideal, I don’t believe it’ll actually work.
I’m voting because there’s stuff like abortion rights and marijuana on the ballot.
And if Trump wins the next election and effectively ends democracy and voting, how will that help move the DNC even further left?
It won’t but what am I gonna do about that? Vote for Biden in Florida? He’s going to lose this state. We have the electoral college. My vote would do nothing.
So who are you going to vote for?
I appreciate the motive behind it, but I don’t think your strategy is effective until we have national ranked-choice voting.
Say you are given the choice of Starbucks drip coffee (black), or Jonestown Kool-aid. You are going to be force-fed one of them no matter what. You have a vote to choose which one you prefer. In your scenario, you say “milkshake” in the hopes that maybe next time a milkshake will be an option, and in hopes that the rest of the voters are smart enough to avoid cyanide.
NARRATOR: They’re not.
Cool but the state’s choosing Jonestown Kool aid anyways so what makes asking for Starbucks coffee better than asking for a milkshake
I don’t think Trump has as much of a lead as you think in Florida. It’s unlikely, especially if potential Biden voters vote third party, but it’s far from impossible. Making people believe it’s impossible is part of the strategy though. Why participate if you’re going to lose anyway, right? It’s not likely Biden wins, but it’s possible and you could actually effect it, unlike the places where Biden is guaranteed a win.
At least consider watching the polls, and if it gets closer consider changing your decision.
I’m sure some internet tankies are just idiots following the crowd but most are former T_D trolls trying to disrupt the formation of an anti-MAGA coalition.
Well for one, they constantly bitch about liberals. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
This one.
That’s how we be y’know. Communist party card in one pocket and MAGA hat on our head
Like what are you talking about
