• crusa187@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    In this photo:

    Liberals confronted with the fact that Biden IS committing genocide, right now.

    Sure, Trump might do the same, after Dems throw the election to him once again. But Genocidin’ Biden is doing it right now. Voting harder for him in November certainly won’t change that. Why are liberals so in love with genocide?

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      Trump isn’t going to make the situation in Gaza any better but I can guarantee he will make the situation in Ukraine worse.

      I’d say Biden is the much better choice if you look at it at all critically.

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        Trump should be rotting in prison by now. He isn’t because Biden and the other establishment dems want to fundraise off of him, just one last time…

        If you think about things critically, it becomes clear that Dems are making the situation far worse for the whole world. Please, try to think beyond short term profits for military contractors and arms manufacturers.

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      Trump will amplify genocide. He was pushing for dictators to do this. He is directly responsible for arming Netanyahu.

      Trump doesn’t even think Arabs are human.

      He has screamed from the rooftops that he wants to commit genocide.

      But because he’s not in power now he can’t.

      Giving him power is voting to commit genocide yourself.

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        Damn bro, need to get those liberal brain worms checked out before there’s nothing left!

        We’ve been arming Israel since at least the 1970s. Coincidentally, this was also around the same time we armed Bin Laden’s group.

        https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

        Biden genociding now, but in your expert opinion, Trump will genocide more? This is precisely the point of my post. It’s illegal for Biden to facilitate this genocide per US federal law. You are basically saying because you don’t like the prospect of a Trump fascist state, that Biden is above the law. I couldn’t disagree more, Biden needs to be held accountable. In this alleged democracy, that should happen at the ballot box.

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          What rigid and inflexible world view does to a motherfucker.

          You’re so anal about purity that you’d vote for a man that would gleeful behead you in the square.

          Does Biden think he’s above the law? Clearly. So has every US president. That doesn’t make him a fascist - just the asshole status quo that has always existed.

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      Biden is a terrible President but American’s should vote for him because its a realistic probability that if Trump gets in, there’ll be no more elections to vote in.

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        I mean the American government is terrible. And you don’t become president of the U.S without promising the chums that you’ll keep the war machine going. All Presidents will do this, it’s about the other things they do, and don’t do.

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        Biden is status quo, which is bad, but at least the status quo is democracy.

        Relative to many other presidents Biden is fine.

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      When you keep say things like Biden is commiting genocide then you’re completely misusing the term and that makes everyone dismissive of what you’re saying.

      I simply won’t take your opinion seriously on any topic because saying that is just completely ridiculous and using the word in that context is a cheap hack to try and win arguments.

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        Oh ok, so you suggest that Biden admin isn’t in control here, and that he instead works for Netanyahu? I don’t disagree, but I do find it pathetic.

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          And now it’s the wierd conspiracy where Jews control the world. Very nice argument.

          The reality is a lot more complex. You might be able to claim Biden is complicit but certainly not actively committing it.

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            Jews control the world is a big step beyond my claim, and I suspect a bit disingenuous on your part.

            Most Zionist president in history of USA eagerly licks Bibi’s boots and runs cover for him to commit never ending stream of war crimes. He circumvents Congress to send billions in funding and American made bombs which have been used to slaughter 10s of thousands of innocent civilians, and leverages his security council standing to prevent the UN from doing a damn thing about it.

            There, is that more palatable phrasing for you?

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            And now it’s the wierd conspiracy where Jews control the world.

            I know you are the type of person to call anyone criticizing israel as Anti-semite

            You are just projecting at this point

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        I mean… it’s pretty objectively genocide.

        You can argue trump would genocide worse. But it’s still happening

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          No Biden is not committing Genocide. Nor would Trump be.

          Now the situation in Gaza might get much worse under Trump but the US president is not the one ordering around the IDF.

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            Plus if trump wins then there’s the whole plan the Republicans have for subverting our democracy after that

            See Project 2025

            And the whole them wanting to eliminate quite a few rights for queer folk, women, etc.

            Biden ain’t perfect but he’s getting my vote for president this election FOR SURE.

            Local elections are going to be fun as well because we’ve got some fascist that are going to be running in addition to the other people. So it’s going to be a rough local election. But given that we swung blue for the first time and many years 2 elections ago I have hope.

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            You’re right they’ve only been complicit in aiding genocide. Thanks that’s a lot better!

            And yes, the current US executive branch is the one that is currently directly preventing the UN from say sending blue helmets to Gaza to enforce a ceasefire and stop the genocide.

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      Trump literally tried to overthrow democracy.

      We all know the American voting system is absolutely shit and forces people to choose the lesser evil.

      But trump is an actual fascist.

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        Yeah this is my point - when confronted with Biden’s wrongdoing, the gut reaction is “but what about Trump?”

        How come it isn’t “Let’s hold Biden accountable”?

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          Voting for Trump ISN’T holding Biden accountable though. It IS putting a right wing wannabe fascist in office. The American people can still hold Biden accountable for his actions without forfeiting their right to vote. Trump Literally wants to be Putin. I don’t approve of Biden, but given the choice I would want him over Trump.

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          In which ways do you propose holding Biden accountable that won’t end with helping a fascist traitor come to power?

          Can you give one example?

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            Sure, but you aren’t going to like it:

            Don’t vote for him. (And don’t vote for the orange dotard either.)

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              When has withholding your vote brought about a positive change? It’s not like a boycott because there no financial incentive.

              The only metric that matters when voting is what percentage of active votes chose you, inactive voters have chosen to silence themselves.

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                Bold assumption about not voting, this isn’t what I’m advocating at all. I think it’s important to vote in every race you can, even in such a corrupt and fundamentally broken system as ours.

                I’m saying don’t vote for Hitler, and also don’t vote for 99% Hitler.

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                  Ah, you’re privileged enough to think you’re insulated from any actual consequences of the election and fuck those other people, right?

                  Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool…

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              Is there any third option in the ballot? Not voting is as good as voting anyone you think is worse

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                Jill Stein is running, but there are going to be a lot of states where her name won’t make it onto the ballot, although she can be written in.

                I’m thankful to have ranked choice voting in my state. Every state should push for it as much as possible. Generally, the people who are against RCV are the ones who benefit from restricting the will and voting power of the voters.

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                Not meaningfully in a first past the post vote. Ranked choice or some other alternative, then sure…

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                Usually people advocating not to vote for Biden are advocating for voting for PSL or another third party, not abstaining.

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      This is an interesting take. You seem to think that Biden has unilateral power to decide treaties and spending. Also, that he can pass whichever law he wants. It’s almost like you don’t understand how 2 of the 3 branches of government work. Did you take a civics class in high school?

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      Biden is also making Ukraine better right now (or trying), while Trump is right now working against Ukraine.

      So both are gonna commit genocide, one now, one later, but both aren’t going to help Ukraine, and one will help destroy it. Your numbers game doesn’t add up.

      If Trump was in power now he’d be doing the same, because it’s an America thing, not a President thing.

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      Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and that message wasn’t lost on anyone in the middle East.

      Although Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians has ALWAYS been grotesque, this move was intended to embolden Israel and piss the fuck out of everyone else.

      I’m not saying this caused the current state of events, but it certainly was another straw on the camels back.