In this situation principles are stupid because you go against your own principles by letting the guy who will make things even worse win. Trump won’t stop supporting Israel (he’s the guy who recognized that Jerusalem as its capital) but he will stop supporting Ukraine, encouraging another genocide.
It fucking does when people like you are convincing people from swing States not to vote! If you just didn’t vote and shut up about it then it wouldn’t matter, but you’re just incapable of doing that are you? You need to validate your choice by sharing your opinion without mentioning that in your case it truly won’t change a thing…
Will it not change a thing though? You’ve got people saying “I’ll vote third party to show the Democrats!”, but somehow that logic doesn’t apply to Republicans, lowering the % between them and the Democrats to show them that Trump isn’t an appropriate candidate and their policies are shit? Nah…
Also, way more States would be purple if people got off their ass and voted instead of assuming it won’t change a thing.
Ideologically they might be principled.
But practically they make it easier for Trump to win than if they’d recognize the real implications of the fucked up US voting system and vote for the lesser evil. And making it easier for a candidate to win is effectively support.
In fact, voting will play a part in changing fptp. The only people wanting to change that (as far as I’m aware at least, and who actually have a chance) are running as democrats. Sure, most democrats suck, but they are working on things like this in the party.
Absolutely, but you won’t change fptp with a slim majority in the house. Or with Trump in office. Everything else is just grandstanding. That’s all it is. Vacuous hot air grandstanding. Make change happen or shut up. Don’t want to vote? Then shut up because you are contributing to less change. That’s right: mathematically that’s the only outcome. Don’t vote: you’re pushing the needle back. Work for change or shut up. The grandstanding is so tiring.
I’m not really involved in US politics, but how do you change the voting system away from FPTP while still voting for Biden, who (as far as I’m aware) supports FPTP?
Your take is as stupid as those tankies.
We’re speaking facts, not ideology. It’s effectively what you’re doing.
It doesn’t make you a Trump supporter. For many it just makes them principled. There’s no need to gaslight people because you don’t agree with them.
If you really oppose “BiDeN’s gENoCiDe” why play political games?
Why not take direct action, it seems to be the virtue signaled by all the tankies supporting trump?
Principles are for idiots
I don’t believe that. They’re important and we all come to our principles for our own reasons.
In this situation principles are stupid because you go against your own principles by letting the guy who will make things even worse win. Trump won’t stop supporting Israel (he’s the guy who recognized that Jerusalem as its capital) but he will stop supporting Ukraine, encouraging another genocide.
Your consequentialist shit means nothing in a red state. My vote for president doesn’t matter.
It fucking does when people like you are convincing people from swing States not to vote! If you just didn’t vote and shut up about it then it wouldn’t matter, but you’re just incapable of doing that are you? You need to validate your choice by sharing your opinion without mentioning that in your case it truly won’t change a thing…
Will it not change a thing though? You’ve got people saying “I’ll vote third party to show the Democrats!”, but somehow that logic doesn’t apply to Republicans, lowering the % between them and the Democrats to show them that Trump isn’t an appropriate candidate and their policies are shit? Nah…
Also, way more States would be purple if people got off their ass and voted instead of assuming it won’t change a thing.
It makes you a Trump supporter because your actions make it easier for Trump to win.
Blame the 2 party system, but them’s the brakes.
This is such a bankrupt and soulless view of both ethics and humanity.
No, as said: I’m not talking about ideology.
Ideologically they might be principled. But practically they make it easier for Trump to win than if they’d recognize the real implications of the fucked up US voting system and vote for the lesser evil. And making it easier for a candidate to win is effectively support.
it’s the truth. hard to swallow, but the truth.
it’s how the American electoral system works.
It’s mathematically how FPTP works electorally. Change fptp or get off the shitter and vote.
Better yet, do both. You can do both!
I’m sure you already know this, but reading through some of these comments makes me suspect others might need the prompting.
In fact, voting will play a part in changing fptp. The only people wanting to change that (as far as I’m aware at least, and who actually have a chance) are running as democrats. Sure, most democrats suck, but they are working on things like this in the party.
Absolutely, but you won’t change fptp with a slim majority in the house. Or with Trump in office. Everything else is just grandstanding. That’s all it is. Vacuous hot air grandstanding. Make change happen or shut up. Don’t want to vote? Then shut up because you are contributing to less change. That’s right: mathematically that’s the only outcome. Don’t vote: you’re pushing the needle back. Work for change or shut up. The grandstanding is so tiring.
I’m not really involved in US politics, but how do you change the voting system away from FPTP while still voting for Biden, who (as far as I’m aware) supports FPTP?