I live in Florida, where Biden has zero chance. Tell me how voting for Biden is better than pissing in the wind. I’ll vote for the socialist candidate to at least help show that movement getting larger.
I appreciate the motive behind it, but I don’t think your strategy is effective until we have national ranked-choice voting.
Say you are given the choice of Starbucks drip coffee (black), or Jonestown Kool-aid. You are going to be force-fed one of them no matter what. You have a vote to choose which one you prefer.
In your scenario, you say “milkshake” in the hopes that maybe next time a milkshake will be an option, and in hopes that the rest of the voters are smart enough to avoid cyanide.
I don’t think Trump has as much of a lead as you think in Florida. It’s unlikely, especially if potential Biden voters vote third party, but it’s far from impossible. Making people believe it’s impossible is part of the strategy though. Why participate if you’re going to lose anyway, right? It’s not likely Biden wins, but it’s possible and you could actually effect it, unlike the places where Biden is guaranteed a win.
At least consider watching the polls, and if it gets closer consider changing your decision.
Now that we have a six week abortion ban, with abortion on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment, and one for legalized recreational marijuana, there is a very significant chance for Florida to be in play.
Many people here are very upset with the state of insurance, especially homeowners. The Biden campaign just came out and said they will be targeting Florida to flip it.
Every vote will count, remember a few thousand votes gave us Rick Scott, we have a chance to remove him as well. There’s a lot at stake this year.
Tells leftist money and strategists that there are blue voters there, they just need to put the money and time there. Make it so Republicans spend more money in your district next election cycle, which means less somewhere else.
You should already be there on election to vote for reps in congress, state issues, what’s one more mark of a pen for Biden?
Republican spend so much time/money suppressing voter turnout/the ability to vote. If you don’t vote, you’re literally giving them one of the things they want most.
I think my socialist vote tells the DNC there’s even further left people here and they should move more left if they want any chance in hell of capturing it. Or at least that’s the ideal, I don’t believe it’ll actually work.
I’m voting because there’s stuff like abortion rights and marijuana on the ballot.
It won’t but what am I gonna do about that? Vote for Biden in Florida? He’s going to lose this state. We have the electoral college. My vote would do nothing.
That it the most misguided logic. What about if George Carlin didn’t vote in this election, like he didn’t when whe was alive? Would that make him a Trump supporter?
What about if George Carlin didn’t vote in this election…
I’m pretty confident he won’t be. And to make an assumption about his hypothetical practice in a situation he never encountered is simply ascribing your views to his with a false veneer of authority.
No, I’m saying that not voting for “the right” candidate isn’t equivalent to supporting “the wrong” candidate in any situation - It’s using your vote. You suggest that the two parties have the right to hold our vote hostage because “the other guy is worse”, and I say that’s wrong and no one should stand for it. If I’m not allowed to vote for who I want because my vote is “wasted” or because you tell me I might as well be voting for the other guy, then what is a vote for?
I’m sure some internet tankies are just idiots following the crowd but most are former T_D trolls trying to disrupt the formation of an anti-MAGA coalition.
Ideologically they might be principled.
But practically they make it easier for Trump to win than if they’d recognize the real implications of the fucked up US voting system and vote for the lesser evil. And making it easier for a candidate to win is effectively support.
In this situation principles are stupid because you go against your own principles by letting the guy who will make things even worse win. Trump won’t stop supporting Israel (he’s the guy who recognized that Jerusalem as its capital) but he will stop supporting Ukraine, encouraging another genocide.
It fucking does when people like you are convincing people from swing States not to vote! If you just didn’t vote and shut up about it then it wouldn’t matter, but you’re just incapable of doing that are you? You need to validate your choice by sharing your opinion without mentioning that in your case it truly won’t change a thing…
Will it not change a thing though? You’ve got people saying “I’ll vote third party to show the Democrats!”, but somehow that logic doesn’t apply to Republicans, lowering the % between them and the Democrats to show them that Trump isn’t an appropriate candidate and their policies are shit? Nah…
Also, way more States would be purple if people got off their ass and voted instead of assuming it won’t change a thing.
I’m not really involved in US politics, but how do you change the voting system away from FPTP while still voting for Biden, who (as far as I’m aware) supports FPTP?
In fact, voting will play a part in changing fptp. The only people wanting to change that (as far as I’m aware at least, and who actually have a chance) are running as democrats. Sure, most democrats suck, but they are working on things like this in the party.
Absolutely, but you won’t change fptp with a slim majority in the house. Or with Trump in office. Everything else is just grandstanding. That’s all it is. Vacuous hot air grandstanding. Make change happen or shut up. Don’t want to vote? Then shut up because you are contributing to less change. That’s right: mathematically that’s the only outcome. Don’t vote: you’re pushing the needle back. Work for change or shut up. The grandstanding is so tiring.
I mean, refusing to vote for Biden while knowing full well it means Trump will get elected makes someone a Trump supporter.
I live in Florida, where Biden has zero chance. Tell me how voting for Biden is better than pissing in the wind. I’ll vote for the socialist candidate to at least help show that movement getting larger.
I appreciate the motive behind it, but I don’t think your strategy is effective until we have national ranked-choice voting.
Say you are given the choice of Starbucks drip coffee (black), or Jonestown Kool-aid. You are going to be force-fed one of them no matter what. You have a vote to choose which one you prefer. In your scenario, you say “milkshake” in the hopes that maybe next time a milkshake will be an option, and in hopes that the rest of the voters are smart enough to avoid cyanide.
NARRATOR: They’re not.
Cool but the state’s choosing Jonestown Kool aid anyways so what makes asking for Starbucks coffee better than asking for a milkshake
I don’t think Trump has as much of a lead as you think in Florida. It’s unlikely, especially if potential Biden voters vote third party, but it’s far from impossible. Making people believe it’s impossible is part of the strategy though. Why participate if you’re going to lose anyway, right? It’s not likely Biden wins, but it’s possible and you could actually effect it, unlike the places where Biden is guaranteed a win.
At least consider watching the polls, and if it gets closer consider changing your decision.
So we can bring up the popular vote again as argument to get rid of gerrymandering.
Also, if everyone thinks like that then it you would never notice how many actually voted a certain way.
You are playing into the Republicans playbook.
Now that we have a six week abortion ban, with abortion on the ballot as a state constitutional amendment, and one for legalized recreational marijuana, there is a very significant chance for Florida to be in play.
Many people here are very upset with the state of insurance, especially homeowners. The Biden campaign just came out and said they will be targeting Florida to flip it.
Every vote will count, remember a few thousand votes gave us Rick Scott, we have a chance to remove him as well. There’s a lot at stake this year.
I’m definitely voting on the ballot measures. But unless something drastically changes it’s not gonna even be close here on the president
Tells leftist money and strategists that there are blue voters there, they just need to put the money and time there. Make it so Republicans spend more money in your district next election cycle, which means less somewhere else.
You should already be there on election to vote for reps in congress, state issues, what’s one more mark of a pen for Biden?
Republican spend so much time/money suppressing voter turnout/the ability to vote. If you don’t vote, you’re literally giving them one of the things they want most.
I think my socialist vote tells the DNC there’s even further left people here and they should move more left if they want any chance in hell of capturing it. Or at least that’s the ideal, I don’t believe it’ll actually work.
I’m voting because there’s stuff like abortion rights and marijuana on the ballot.
And if Trump wins the next election and effectively ends democracy and voting, how will that help move the DNC even further left?
It won’t but what am I gonna do about that? Vote for Biden in Florida? He’s going to lose this state. We have the electoral college. My vote would do nothing.
So who are you going to vote for?
Claudia de la Cruz
I can hear the music for Curb Your Enthusiasm.
That it the most misguided logic. What about if George Carlin didn’t vote in this election, like he didn’t when whe was alive? Would that make him a Trump supporter?
I’m pretty confident he won’t be. And to make an assumption about his hypothetical practice in a situation he never encountered is simply ascribing your views to his with a false veneer of authority.
Lol, your message is “don’t vote for Biden” not “don’t vote because voting is bullshit”.
Stop being obtuse, your political games are tired.
No, I’m saying that not voting for “the right” candidate isn’t equivalent to supporting “the wrong” candidate in any situation - It’s using your vote. You suggest that the two parties have the right to hold our vote hostage because “the other guy is worse”, and I say that’s wrong and no one should stand for it. If I’m not allowed to vote for who I want because my vote is “wasted” or because you tell me I might as well be voting for the other guy, then what is a vote for?
Quit being obtuse. The time for “the right” candidate is in the primaries. The general is for forming coalitions.
I’m sure some internet tankies are just idiots following the crowd but most are former T_D trolls trying to disrupt the formation of an anti-MAGA coalition.
Your take is as stupid as those tankies.
We’re speaking facts, not ideology. It’s effectively what you’re doing.
It doesn’t make you a Trump supporter. For many it just makes them principled. There’s no need to gaslight people because you don’t agree with them.
No, as said: I’m not talking about ideology.
Ideologically they might be principled. But practically they make it easier for Trump to win than if they’d recognize the real implications of the fucked up US voting system and vote for the lesser evil. And making it easier for a candidate to win is effectively support.
Principles are for idiots
I don’t believe that. They’re important and we all come to our principles for our own reasons.
In this situation principles are stupid because you go against your own principles by letting the guy who will make things even worse win. Trump won’t stop supporting Israel (he’s the guy who recognized that Jerusalem as its capital) but he will stop supporting Ukraine, encouraging another genocide.
Your consequentialist shit means nothing in a red state. My vote for president doesn’t matter.
It fucking does when people like you are convincing people from swing States not to vote! If you just didn’t vote and shut up about it then it wouldn’t matter, but you’re just incapable of doing that are you? You need to validate your choice by sharing your opinion without mentioning that in your case it truly won’t change a thing…
Will it not change a thing though? You’ve got people saying “I’ll vote third party to show the Democrats!”, but somehow that logic doesn’t apply to Republicans, lowering the % between them and the Democrats to show them that Trump isn’t an appropriate candidate and their policies are shit? Nah…
Also, way more States would be purple if people got off their ass and voted instead of assuming it won’t change a thing.
If you really oppose “BiDeN’s gENoCiDe” why play political games?
Why not take direct action, it seems to be the virtue signaled by all the tankies supporting trump?
It makes you a Trump supporter because your actions make it easier for Trump to win.
Blame the 2 party system, but them’s the brakes.
This is such a bankrupt and soulless view of both ethics and humanity.
it’s the truth. hard to swallow, but the truth.
it’s how the American electoral system works.
It’s mathematically how FPTP works electorally. Change fptp or get off the shitter and vote.
I’m not really involved in US politics, but how do you change the voting system away from FPTP while still voting for Biden, who (as far as I’m aware) supports FPTP?
Better yet, do both. You can do both!
I’m sure you already know this, but reading through some of these comments makes me suspect others might need the prompting.
In fact, voting will play a part in changing fptp. The only people wanting to change that (as far as I’m aware at least, and who actually have a chance) are running as democrats. Sure, most democrats suck, but they are working on things like this in the party.
Absolutely, but you won’t change fptp with a slim majority in the house. Or with Trump in office. Everything else is just grandstanding. That’s all it is. Vacuous hot air grandstanding. Make change happen or shut up. Don’t want to vote? Then shut up because you are contributing to less change. That’s right: mathematically that’s the only outcome. Don’t vote: you’re pushing the needle back. Work for change or shut up. The grandstanding is so tiring.