Why the fuck is it allowed to force arbitration when someone dies? It’s insanity
It’s okay, they didn’t force arbitration. They decided to “waive their right to do so.”
*Disney+ may cause death
Always remember it’s morally ethical to yar har Disney content
It is by far the best reason they could give anyone for being pro piracy. Forget the morality of it anymore, when the alternative is signing your life away it would be stupid to pay for it.
Oh no, you’re not signing your life away. You’d be dead
You’re signing away the right to get any justice for those you care about
we have killed satire and threw a dance party on its corps. How is this whole situation not just a funny article by the Onion
You can legally kill anyone related to someone who has had Disney+.
Iirc, the wife died, the husband sued, and they tried to say the husband can’t sue because HE had had the subscription a long time ago.
Each subscriber loses the right to sue for any of their loved ones.
After all, if they’re dead, they can’t sue you anyway
He only had a free trial which makes it even crazier. Also I don’t know who thought an arbitration demand would apply to food vs a streaming service, but as insane as our court system is with judges siding with money I can’t see a judge feeling a TOS could be THAT fluid is like Nike refusing to return a pair of sneakers because you’re cousin owned a copy of NBA JAM in the 90’s, although you never played it.
This case has awful optics but it isn’t as insane as it is presented here. First, it’s just resolving things by arbitration not dismissing the suit completely. Second, Disney didn’t own the restaurant in question, it was on their property, and they promoted it on their website. Its reasonable that an arbitration agreement for something like disney+ could be extended to the use of their website.
it isn’t as insane as it is presented here
Arbitration aside, I think you’re forgetting these are terms from the streaming service.
If tomorrow I attack you, break your spine and you lose mobility for life, then I come back saying in 2011 you purchased an indie game I made and waived your right to sue me in the terms of service, that wouldn’t be insane? Suuure.
Binding arbitration is terrible for consumers:
“This is not like having judges, who get paid the same no matter what happens,” says Stanford Graduate School of Business finance professor Amit Seru, who collaborated on the study with Mark Egan at Harvard Business School and Gregor Matvos at the University of Texas at Austin. “Here, you only get paid if you’re selected as an arbitrator. They have incentives to slant toward the business side, because they know that those who don’t do so won’t get picked. Everyone knows what’s happening.”
No, it is insane. I don’t know of other countries that allow a corporation to just not allow you to sue them and force you into arbitration.
It is as insane as it sounds. Yes, alternative dispute resolution is perfectly commonplace and indeed in many countries - such as mine - there is an expectation that you attempt ADR before bringing a matter to court, unless there is some reason why you couldn’t.
That’s fine. That’s not an issue.
Disney claimed that due to the terms and conditions of the Disney+ video streaming service, anyone who has or had a subscription agrees to resolve any and all disputes with Disney through mediation and they therefore waive any recourse through the courts. For absolutely any form of dispute, even a wrongful death.
That is absolutely insane and evil to even attempt and there is no justifying it.
They also agreed to a similar arbitration clause again when purchasing the park tickets. It is insane that the disney lawyers even mentioned disney+. They had a more recent and relevant agreement right there.
Either way, I hope they lose. Fuck disney and forced arbitration.
The restaurant in question wasn’t located in the park, so that clause was just as irrelevant.
Agreed but it isn’t as much a stretch as the disney+ agreement and serves the same purpose for their argument. The restaurant is on disney owned property right next to the park.
If it really boils down to this, how can one fight back? I don’t wanna sit here and see these sad articles blow by, what can I do to tell Disney to fuck off. I did not sign up for this, I wanted to watch funny cartoons and superheroes like a normal person, and this is my reward? If suing them is futile, is storming their office and yelling at their corporate head about this any better? I’m pissed, and I can’t sit here and wait for dinner other legal head to shut this stupid clause down.
It’s a small thing, but for me it’s refusing to support them as much as I can. I don’t use Disney+ and try not to buy merchandise from their IPs. Admittedly this is both difficult since they own so. many. things. while also being a drop in the bucket for such a large company, but if enough folks feel the same, it can move the needle a small amount.
I also shared this message out on all my platforms (that of their shady practices) which influenced at least a few people to say they were distancing themselves from the mouse.
Ultimately though, corporations will always do what is best for their shareholders, and in this case, that means doing anything possible not to pay out, PR nightmare be damned. Meaningful legislation is really the only thing that puts guard rails on this behaviour, so my last recommendation really comes down to being vocal with your representatives that these things matter and voting accordingly. I recognize again this is a small thing but on-mass action like this is how change happens.
My two cents at least.
As time goes on, I am more and more convinced that media piracy is morally acceptable.
Always has been… none of this shit is new, just the audacity is amped up.
I think media piracy is not only acceptable, but something that should be actively promoted by everyone. Piracy is the only way to preserve media for future generations.
Stop giving them money is about the only thing the average person can do.
If it really boils down to this, how can one fight back?
Historically? Guillotines in the village square, and/or Molotovs through the front windows of the overlords’ house. The rich learned a long time ago that when no other recourse is left, people will eventually turn to violence. And they learned that keeping the poors placated is a matter of life or death, because money and fame won’t stop an angry mob, and even trained soldiers will get overwhelmed by sheer crowd size.
I believe Sun Tsu wrote something applicable in The Art of War, along the lines of “Always leave a surrounded army a way out. Show them a way to life so they will not be compelled to fight to the death. Because even an exhausted army will fight to the death if they have no other option.” So the rich and powerful set up systems that are heavily skewed in the rich’s favor, but at least attempt to appear fair on the surface. They set up a visible “way to life” so that people could at least feel like they had a viable way of fighting back without resorting to violence.
But recently, the rich and powerful seem to have forgotten that, and have dropped all pretext of fairness. Now it’s just blatant “you’re going to be killed and there’s nothing you can do about it.” Which means that the people are eventually going to be forced to fight to the death, because they’re cornered and see no other option. And I genuinely believe that if things carry on this same trajectory that people will turn to violence as a means of recourse, because it’s quickly becoming the only effective recourse that is within reach.
I love this comment and Sun Tzu reference, thank you so much for posting it!
It is a moral imperative for anyone who considers themselves to be a protector of their family to just pirate Disney shit instead
Don’t use Drake memes.
Is that Drake?
You’ve got the spirit.
Comments like that are completely useless. Unless you plan on saying why you think that, just keep quiet.
It’s a very long story with Drake. We honestly don’t have time.
If you can’t summerize it shortly enough to post in a comment, ten don’t bring it up. What’s the point?
And I mean doing it in the original comment. I don’t care personally. I just hate when people make statements like that without any context whatsoever.
No amount of defending him is gonna make him not a groomer. Pls consider actually being a decent person instead
I’m not defending anyone.
I don’t give a shit or know a shit about Drake except that his music sucks.
Here is a video if you want some context.
Welcome to the internet?
Excellent.
Shamelessly stolen from @ummthatguy@lemmy.world
Flattering, but I lay no claim to the OG Geordi format. My contribution was that I gave her a bit of a spit shine at one point.
I can’t comprehend how they give so few f’s about their image as to even contemplate that in public.
I hate to be a back in my day kinda person, but there was a time at which large family-friendly companies were concerned enough with their image not to pull that shit, at least out loud.
Because they know most people don’t care, and this will blow over in a few more days.
I am going to be the “back in the day” guy. Huge corporations have never been paragons of virtue, but at least they used to be smart enough to protect their image.
“Back in the day”, I could see Disney firing the lawyer who was dumb enough to suggest such a strategy.
Perks of being a monopoly. Every time someone gets upset with them, their response is just dripping with a “you’ll be back” mentality. Same as u/spez during the reddit third party app stuff.
You are more physically, financially, mentally, and psychologically safe by pirating Disney content than legally renting it.
But for real, shit’s starting to get weird
We may be trending away from the Bell Riots to Starfleet timeline and more into the Corporate Wars to Rollerball (1975) timeline. May want to brush up on your skating ability.
As someone who did a trial Disney plus 4 years ago, is that TOS still valid if they came and murdered me in their restaurant?
I’m legit asking.
The mouse can now can legally assassinate you in your sleep.
oh boy!
You mean you didn’t fully read the TOS?
I just copy and paste their TOS and ask ChatGPT and according to it, even if I’m no longer a subscriber, they can still enforce arbitration.
That’s exactly what happened here. So the result of this suit will be your answer
Disney backpeddeled on that argument because of the PR nightmare. But the damage is done
If you’re asking whether the binding arbitration clause would apply to the murder case, then no. Homicide falls under criminal law, where the state is the plaintiff. The state didn’t enter an agreement under the TOS. I suppose Disney could try to argue it applies if your legal estate filed a civil suit; in the real case it argued that the arbitration clause applied because the husband (who’d agreed to it) filed a civil suit as the plaintiff.
Instead, Disney would get away with it the old-fashioned way: because it’s a rich corporation.
Disney; just know that if I die because of you my Wife has strict instructions to mail my burning corpse to Bob Iger’s home address. We will not see you in court.
You should save some part to mail them later ,so they can never be sure when their are done with you.
I wonder what the internal discussion looked like after this.
Lock your doors if you ever had Disney plus! 😱😱😱
I can’t believe they were only seeking 50,000$ too.
They aren’t. It’s stated “in access of”. They’re going after more.
Also, the restaurant isn’t owned or operated by Disney. The husband’s lawyers attached Disney to it because of the super deep Disney pockets. But the husband is suing both the restaurant and Disney.
LegalEagle has done a video on the whole thing, here’s a proper explanation of the ordeal.
That’s the minimum, they’re seeking damages starting at 50k
Really? Weren’t they a doctor too? 50k seems like it would be next to nothing for what happened.
Always remember what really happened with the McDonald’s lady who sued because her “coffee was too hot”.
McDonald’s themselves started the campaign that the issue was laughable, and seeded the notion that it’s ridiculous, how could she not know coffee hot?
What really happened was that the coffee was:
- Served well above safe ranges to maximize profits, so the coffee could be served longer
- Was served near boiling temperature
- Was so hot that it FUSED HER LABIA requiring extensive surgery to repair.
She sued only for her hospital bills.
They started a smear campaign against her to convince the public that she was a moron and she just wanted a payday.
Don’t trust corporations. Ever.
I dont understand this, coffee is generally made with near boiling hot water. Many coffee machines make the coffee in front of your eyes. Of course its served boiling hot, no?
Coffee is brewed near boiling, but the hottest it should be served is 60 degrees C, or around 140 degrees F. Basically her temperature was the same as it was literally coming out of the machine, no one takes a big gulp of coffee the second it comes out of the machine.
McDonalds kept their coffee as hot as possible to give the illusion it was fresher than it was. By keeping the coffee at 190-200F then they believed that customers would feel that the coffee was fresher, even though they knew it was unsafe to serve coffee that hot.
Larger places follow the same rules here, while coffee is brewed extremely hot it usually tests for a bit before serving unless a customer explicitly asks for it. In restaurants it’s served for you. Even Starbucks most of their drinks are milk based which cools the coffee, except for Americanos which are just espresso and hot water, and you’ll usually see those with an insulator cup to highlight that
Found this, which explains serving coffee better than I can. https://mtpak.coffee/2022/08/takeaway-cups-coffee-temperature-ideal-serving/
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
McDonald’s admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits.
Many places here you get your coffee straight from the machine that brews it (as in you press the button yourself), far too hot to drink immediately.
Not to mention they were warned many times before about serving coffee that’s too hot. The woman got such a huge settlement because the judge was tired of McDonald’s crap
Also they calculated the cost of lawsuits like that and decided they would make more money selling it that hot than they would lose in lawsuits over how hot the coffee was.
Also, she got second degree burns, and she was not the first person to be injured by the coffee, and McDonald’s was told multiple times that they served their coffee too hot.
During the trial, McDonald’s showed zero care for the the people they injured, to the point that most of the fine that McDonald’s ended up paying was punitive damages
Third degree burns…. It was brutal. The pictures are out there for those that want to search.
The coffee that burned Stella Liebeck was dangerously hot—hot enough to cause third-degree burns, even through clothes, in three seconds. Liebeck endured third-degree burns over 16 percent of her body, including her inner thighs and genitals—the skin was burned away to the layers of muscle and fatty tissue. She had to be hospitalized for eight days, and she required skin grafts and other treatment. Her recovery lasted two years.
Tbh, I don’t get it. How can a coffee, that can be max 100°C cause such burns? I would have never believed hot/boiling water is that dangerous, without that story.
Well, scalding hot water, some of the hottest you are legally allowed to have set out of a water heater, is about 130 degrees F, or 54 degrees C. That will scald you in a few seconds.
Her coffee was near double that. So, ice at 0, can burn you at 54, and then around 100 degrees… Yeah.
I mean, it’s easy to believe when you consider what might happen if you put your hand into a boiling pot of pasta, for example.
That’s literally a temperature you would cook meat with
What do you think people are made of?
TIL, videos saying “cook meat at 180°” actually meant 180°F and not 180°C.
Now I have to check what my induction stove means when it reads 180 in deep frying mode.
Hot air/gas, hot water/liquid, and a hot solid behaved very differently. The numbers depend a lot on what’s being measured. There’s also a big variable of time.
The cheap induction stove is not really measuring anything.
Its PWM has been tuned to get to the temperature the user selects, under whatever testing conditions they had while R&D. The displayed temperature is just the user selected temperature.
But setting it to 120(whatever unit) manages to make good enough french fries, so that’s fine by me.
Afaik it means °C usually, but when boiling meat it will be cooked at 100°C give or take.
But since well done steak is supposed to be 71°C, everything hotter than that would sooner or later cook the meat.
Considering that Google says 350°F - 375°F for deep frying and that I am in a °C country, I would lean more this way.
Of course, I have never cooked meat and have no idea what deep frying meat at 180°C would do.
Boiling water is extremely dangerous! Water at 140°F (60°C) will cause a serious burn in 3 seconds. Even water at 120°F (49°C) will cause a serious burn within 10 minutes. Source
TIL, videos saying “cook meat at 180°” actually meant 180°F and not 180°C.
Now I have to check what my induction stove means when it reads 180 in deep frying mode.
Are you American? 100 degrees celsius is 212 degrees Fahrenheit
What’s that old quote? “A lie can make it around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”, or something like that? I believe that was pre-internet too.
It also happens with politics. I constantly see provocative headlines get lots of attention in one circle, and then the later corrections only get passed around in the opposite circle, if at all.
Look at just yesterday. One clickbait site said Beyonce was going to perform at the dnc, and by the time the truth and correction made it around it was already past time
We desperately need a return of journalistic ethics and bland, just-the-facts news.
This is why in prefer NPR and BBC
I wouldn’t call those the most reliable. Better than some
What’s more reliable than NPR?
Nothing is reliable that’s the problem. NPR is a propaganda machine. There are worse ones to be far
Critical thinking and media literacy. Just 2 days ago I heard NPR try to gaslight me that Gaza wasn’t a genocide.
Its even worse in science. Lots of crazy headlines that are later debunked quietly
Generally that’s news media misconstruing science.
Which directly impacts funding
That’s the big issue. If a project doesn’t have big headlines frequently it is killed.
those headlines can also be debunked loudly and yet, anti-vaxxers still exist, somehow
I wasn’t talking about vaccinations. I was talking about fusion and other buzzy topics.
Plus those corrections only show up as a footnote on articles without it being altered or removed. Its laughable.
That’s weird. Ideally you should put it right next to the title, that there has been an addendum and the following might be incorrect/outdated.
That depends on what your goal is, I think
I’d consider the goal be to:
- Keep the original article for historical and reference purposes
- Make sure that anyone who only cared to read the first sentence, didn’t leave with confident misinformation.
Your goals are too honest for mass media 😅
I’m sorry, it fucking welded her pussy shut???
the news did not report on that part
I knew about the story, did not know about that detail… I can feel my own cunt quivering in pain imagining that.
The media are corporations also.
Of course it didn’t.
Yes. Yes it did.
No, they did not report that in media.
All the dude asked for was $50,000. I’m sure the reputational damage was totally worth it.
One of LegalEagle’s corrections was “50k minimum, to be determined by a judge”.
Still, fuck the mouse.
Watching Mr. Robot now makes this meme hit hard
