What they (Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, centrists) really want is emergency departments over run with patients who can’t get care for chronic conditions and then they have an excuse to repeal EMTALA. At that point they’ll be able to sink people deep into medical debt and when social security and Medicare/Medicaid fails to cover the costs then we can force medically disabled people into low wage jobs and take their assets to sell at pennies on the dollar to mega corps and further consolidate wealth in this country.
We should instead create a pipeline for that wealth to flow through the lower and middle class on it’s way up to the top bringing the floor up and making sure basic infrastructure like medical care has the funding it needs.
If you make the wealthy ultra wealthy then their urine is full of healthy nutrients when they piss on you.
That’s the basis to tinkle down economics.
What is an obamacare?
Voting for a candidate with the expectation to stop needing a social benefit is definitely how someone with minimum political knowledge will vote.
So selfless
AKA monopoly.
Nah. Relying on the ACA, and voting for people who want to abolish it is a leopards eating faces situation.
The guy in this meme is wrong because he’s not paying attention to the wider pressures of society, and the needs of the people he’s talking to, when those people just want a better system.
He disagrees with the woman demanding better ethical practices from Apple because she uses an Apple product, but the reality is that it is difficult to navigate modern society without a smartphone, and there’s pretty much no brand that doesn’t have some ethical failings in their supply chain. It’s not hypocrisy to point out a systemic issue, and want to see it resolved, if your participation is unavoidable.
He disagrees with the man wanting seatbelts for his car, because he bought a car without them. Wanting greater safety features for the machinery you regularly operate is pragmatic, not hypocritical. Seeing a problem and offering a solution is a productive thing to do.
But relying on the ACA for access to healthcare, and then voting to have the ACA dismantled with absolutely no plan on how to replace it, essentially denying millions of Americans, including themselves, access to healthcare? That’s just fucking insane. There’s no call for a better system. There’s no suggestion for how to do things differently. Just a call to tear down a system that people rely on for their health.
If you think that we ought to hear the Republicans out on their anti-Healthcare agenda, or that people who rely on the ACA aren’t voting against their own interests when they vote Republican, you’re not paying attention to what’s at stake.
No, no, they don’t mean me! They mean all the people that don’t deserve it!
I’m not American, but this happens a lot more than you’d think.
I live in Canada.
A relative of a friend actually voted for a party called “the People’s party of Canada”, and one of their goals as a party was to eliminate subsidized housing. That relative of my friend… lived in subsidized housing and was not able to afford to have a home if not subsidized.
They literally voted for a party that, if they had won, would have made them homeless.
I don’t think that the PPC won a single district (giving them no seats in government); much to their benefit and their disappointment.
Schools really need to teach critical thinking.
I don’t need no Obummercare, I’m covered by the Affordable Care Act!
You can dislike a policy and still be forced to live under it.
I have no choice but to use the American health care system, and I know how shitty it is, especially given the fact that Obama had a supermajority for a time and could have implemented universal health care. Few things will anger me as quickly as someone saying we have ‘access’ to health care when that supposed access is largely contingent on whether or not you can afford to be price-gouged.
Obama was not a good president.
I’d say better than the previous or later
I’m glad it’s working out for you.
I can’t imagine it’s that great for a country where tens of millions can’t absorb a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt, seeing as how it’s a capitalist system that price-gouges people for their care.
Uh, of course it’s not that great–but that doesn’t mean it isn’t better or we want to go backwards to when it was worse.
You can thank Sen. Joe Lieberman for the killing of a public option. Also, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869 .
LOL
That’s always the first argument. The poor, defenseless Dems are just powerless to make real, substantial change. Their hands are tied. Better things simply aren’t possible. It was all the fault of the rotating villain.
And yet people still vote for these same Democrats who are bleeding them dry.
You’re technically correct but you’re ignoring the intention of the post. I agree Obamacare sucks. I want Medicare for All. But the people this post is obviously directed at want it to go away for reasons and just go back to how it was before.
You’re simply wrong here. Obama tried his damndest for universal health care. Supermajority or not, the republicans in congress used every trick in the book to stymie it until they gained the majority. The ACA was a lame compromise and the worst of both worlds, but it’s still benefitted millions including those who hate illogically.
Obama tried his damndest for universal health care.
No he didn’t. The Dems were offered a large lobbyist check and took it.
Do you feel like sourcing that?
You‘re doing important work against misinformation. Thank you.
Just being a petty asshole about unsourced information, like I always have been.
What are not legitimate concerns are those being put forward claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system. I’ll be honest. There are countries where a single-payer system may be working. But I believe – and I’ve even taken some flak from members of my own party for this belief – that it is important for us to build on our traditions here in the United States. So, when you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this – they are not telling the truth.
What I am trying to do – and what a public option will help do – is put affordable health care within reach for millions of Americans. And to help ensure that everyone can afford the cost of a health care option in our Exchange, we need to provide assistance to families who need it. That way, there will be no reason at all for anyone to remain uninsured.
– obama 2009
https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2009/06/obama-rejects-single-payer-019106
This was said after single-payer was blocked. This was his version of RomneyCare, in response to the original vision being defeated via filibuster.
The filibuster was the Democrats’ excuse. They used that excuse many times, and it was never legitimate.
If minority Republicans can use it to block everything, then minority Democrats can too … except that’s not how it played out … and that’s how we know that the corporate Dems were just pandering to big pharma et al.
“I did not expect the leopards to eat my face!” Said the woman who voted for The Leopards Eating Faces Party
“You commie liberals better keep your government hands off my Medicare!”
“Social Security’s great for the old folks, but there’s no way it’ll be around when we’re old”
Votes for the guy trying to destroy social security.
I mean, technically that’s correct, if they keep voting for the guy trying to destroy social security lol
Ronald Reagan was cutting advertising telling people that Social Security was going to go bankrupt in a generation back in 1961.
Then he took office in 1980 (after he’d predicted bankruptcy) on the position and “fixed” SS by raising taxes on low income Americans and gutting their benefits. But the subsequent multi-trillion dollar trust fund didn’t satisfy SS scalds. They still insisted it was going bankrupt, so Republicans raised taxes and gutted benefits again under Clinton and Gingrich, while introducing alternative privatized savings programs (401k, IRA, etc).
But that still didn’t satisfy scalds. They tried to privatize the program in 2005 under Bush Jr. That failed, but we still got an earful about how SS was going to fail in the next 20 years if we didn’t do something. So then Obama tried to pass another round of cuts and tax hikes in 2013, but Republicans killed that too. So then Trump claimed we were headed to a Fiscal Cliff in 2017, and tried to privatize SS, but Republicans refused to pass that either.
At this point, we’ve passed repeated deadlines under which SS was supposedly going to fail. The 1970s, the 1980s, the 2000s, the 2020s… We’re still waiting on the Big Cliff in 2037, but since COVID killed several million people far sooner than expected, that’s thrown the math of significantly.
I anticipate we will continue to hear people predicting the end of SS until Congress finally finds the majority they need to kill it.
When you’re mad for needing healthcare.
To be fair, it’s a flawed argument.
You can be against Google and Apple and still use a smartphone.
You can be against a genocide being sponsored with your tax dollars and still work and pay tax.
And yes, you can use the healthcare system that exists today and still want a different one tomorrow.
Or do you think that advocates of universal healthcare are also hypocrites for using Obamacare?
but the implication is that they are voting for the only party who doesnt want to expand healthcare or make it better in absolutely any way.
even if they think the ACA is flawed and should be fixed, they are still not voting for the party to fix it.
In their mind, they are voting for the party that will fix it.
You may disagree, as do I, but that’s what they think.
If I think cutting my brake lines will make my car go faster, I am, in fact, a moron directly failing to achieve my goal, NOT an intelligent being seeking alternative options…
None of those analogies are applicable here. It’s more like voting against building codes when you live on a fault line.
Well, for almost a decade the GOP has had time to come up with their vision. They ran on “Repeal and Replace” in the 2016 cycle. But when it came time to vote to repeal, they still didn’t have a replace option.
Prices didn’t go down when the 2018 tax cuts reduced corporate tax by about 30%, I doubt when the ACA gets repealed and insurance companies can drop the uninsurable people they will lower the prices for healthy Americans, because they are already anchored at the higher price.
Look, I wouldn’t trust the GOP with my shit stained underwear.
Of course they don’t have a better plan.
But voters who vote for them are still voters.
And falling for a false narrative doesn’t make them hypocrites.
It makes them idiots deserving a Scumbag Steve meme
Well, for almost a decade the GOP has had time to come up with their vision.
That’s only 6 days in Trump’s 2 weeks timeline
You’re correct on all those, but OP was talking about people who praise the Affordable Care Act but vote for politicians who say they want to get rid of Obamacare. Those people aren’t using the system but want better, they are just ignorant that the two are the same thing.
Now we absolutely could do better, but it’s better than what we had, and Republicans still want to get rid of it, even with less ties to Obama in name now. They truly hate people.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires…
Te only reason they’re not a millionaire yet is because of all the illegal immigrants and minorities taking all the jobs…probably
