🤢 Fr*nch “people” 🤮
You’re not on reddit no more, bud
Everything I don’t like is reddit.
And Fr*nch “people”.
true France is actually Cameroon
Québec has language laws that prevent businesses from using English in their advertising among other things, and some controversial rulings have come from it. One such ruling was the use of “le week-end”. Québec was punishing businesses who used this term instead of “la fin de semaine”. There was an interview done with an official from the language police where the interviewer had a dictionary from France which showed “le week-end” is proper French. The Québec official said “France doesn’t decide what words are French. We do.”
TIL the French Language Police is a thing
Il y en a deux ! Une pour la France et une pour le Québec mais la majorité des locuteurs du français sont en Afrique.
I’m not finding any info on this. Source?
I tried searching for it before posting but couldn’t find it. It was a radio interview likely sometime in the 80s. It’s hard to find because a search for controversial things the Québec language police have done turns up a lot of results.
This tracks
L’Académie française disagrees
Oh please. There isn’t a single linguist in the Académie Française.
The Académie Française is to the French language what a group of former weathermen is to climatology.
Honnêtement, tu donnes un peu trop de crédibilité à l’Académie française dans ta comparaison.
Can we take a sidebar over here, and recognize how VIOLENTLY (possibly literally) English speakers would reject that sort of sometimes-it’s-actually-legally-binding official language board?
Even those Karen type motherfuckers, who will openly yell at people at McDonald’s for speaking some non-English language would FULLY reject any ivory-tower shithead telling THEM exactly how to speak English.
I mean, they would be the FIRST people to to reject that shit, and they would reject it the most forcefully. And they would be entirely correct, for once. The duty of dictionary compilers, linguists, and everyone else in that general field is to RECORD the evolution of languages. It is never their duty to PRESCRIBE usage.
That is, and I’m choosing my words very carefully here, SOME NAZI SHIT. It’s authoritarian nonsense. It’s never okay. For any reason. Whatever reason you think you have, it’s not good enough.
Try to legally enforce rules on how I can speak my own language? Do that right to my face? Some stick-up-the-ass language Gestapo comes at me with that shit, I’m liable to loosen his fucking teeth. Then he could see how ironic it’d be, when he couldn’t pronounce any fricatives correctly. Don’t test me. I will do it. And so will every other English speaker, regardless of race, creed, class, color, nationality, etc.
That’s why no majority-English-speaking nation has any of these fascist-ass language academies. We won’t stand for it.
Chill dude…
Fair enough.
Prescriptivist jerks. Let’s all dress up in $50,000 robes, call ourselves immortals, and pretend that we can control language.
L’académie française deez nuts
Gottem
Are we talking the language? West of Quebec French is rare.
Ontario has some significant pockets of french Canadians
Ottawa comes to mind.
Yeah in Sask I’ve encountered two french speaking people (first language Quebecers)in the last decade. Both spoke English.
Both commented on how people’s expressions turn negative when they hear the accent. Which I can understand as it sounds very gutteral and unpleasant to the ear to me as well.
Plenty in Manitoba but they’ll also speak English. St Boniface is an entire neighborhood in Winnipeg where French is primary, including the arret signs. There’s a number of towns around the province where it’s the primary language as well. Bilingual of course but French is the usual spoken language.
Every french speaker is delusional.
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chuis pas ta catin Djadja
Genre, en catchana baby, tu dead çaimbattable.
Solide
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Make anglo minority in Canada again then we could talk.
Also we could talk to make this project happened.Attend. Pourquoi je dis ça en anglais moi ??
Tu t’es fait retourner le cerveau!
I need conclusive Lemmy anecdata on a key question: is Quebecois French considered antiquated by continental (both European and African) French speakers? Are the differences subtle or not?
It’s not considered antiquated. The Quebecoise’s accent is considered exotic. Their effort to create new French words instead of just taking over the English one is also very cool. E.g: téléverser (download), divulgâcher (spoiler).
Clavarder grace à son butineur
Not antiquated, they just sound a little like hillbillies.
That’s a very un-Picard-like Maneuver
I never got this: why do people in France speak an American language instead of a European one?
And why do they speak mexican in spain?
French-Canadian from Quebec here: the same way an American will use a french word mid sentence to add a certain je-ne-sais-quoi…
But they tend to go way overboard with them, ending with bastardized, barely comprehensible french. And they dare correct us when we use the proper french terms instead of the ones they abuse.
I was watching a video on YouTube today where the person was demonstrating some things and kept going “viola”, but everytime he said it, he didn’t really pronounce the v, so it sounded more like moilah. One step away from moolah (slang for money).
It was bizarre.
I just couldn’t not hear it. I completely forget what the video was about.
I intentionally mispronounce voila as viola. As in the string instrument.
Be careful with this, Viola sounds close to the past perfect of the verb violer, which can mean to break a rule (violer une règle) or worse, to rape
I doubt an English listener would make that mistake, sounds nothing like “violate.”
As-tu bien compris la blague de ton interlocuteur? 😜
I don’t get it. How is French an American language? I don’t understand the meme overall either
French is spoken in France and parts of north America. Most people are very emotional about their native language so they feel every deviation of it is just wrong.
The most common and seemingly natural view is that France French is “right” and oversea French is not but honestly it’s arbitrary. OP turned it around and so I did too, eventhough I myself live in a non French European country. Well, we all hate our neighbors and the enemy is my enemy is my friend I guess.
I once was at a work function where I saw a French-Canadian and a Walloon French (Belgium) mock the French spoken by a Parisian.
C’est normal. Les français aussi le font.
I’ve heard Canadian French is closer to the French France Frenched a few hundred years ago.
I’ve been believing this for a very long time but I’ve seen a video made by a French Canadian that proved me wrong
As a matter of fact, when first immigrants arrived in Nova Scotia, most of the French people weren’t even speaking French, but regional dialects.
What happened is that immigrants had to spend long periods of time in big ports of France before taking the boat to the new World and this is how they learned to speak French.
But English was the language mainly used for trades, and local French speakers included a lot of English words in their daily dictionary (which were then exported to France)
Then England took control of Canada and tried to eradicate the French spoken there because they thought it was impure and perverted.
French speakers were pissed, and began to protect the language with tough anti-English rules
Uh pretty sure protection of French language (and Catholicism) was agreed on from the start. Otherwise there would have been rebellions.
Before the moment England took control of the Canada there wasn’t any protective law because there wasn’t a need to.
Protection measures appeared after that
I’m responding to “tried to eradicate the French spoken there”. When they took over, I’m pretty sure they agreed to the French language and Catholicism from the very beginning. They didn’t try to eradicate it. Protection didn’t come from failed eradication attempts, protection was agreed to from the start.
Language, religion, and laws. This is why Quebec is predominantly French, doesn’t use British common law like America and the rest of Canada, and was predominantly catholic at a time when a lot of places required you to follow the king’s (or queen’s) religion.
And why a Catholic school board exists in the entire country. We’re far past the point it should be allowed to exist, but afaik it’s in the constitution and hard to get rid of.
IIRC that’s correct.
Kinda like how the American accent is closer to OG British English than the current British English pronunciation.
I think it’s souppoused to be spelled prounounciautioun
That’s a false fact. And it’s apparent, since there are dozens of accents in the US as well as umin the UK and there were dozens in the UK 200 years ago. They all developed in their own direction, being sometimes isolated sometimes cross-pollinating with other accents, but none staid the same.
motions hand above head while making airplane noises
*aeroplane
See, the problem with the French is that they don’t have a word for entrepreneur…
Oh please, Ontario is just a polite and liberal mini-USA
As a resident of Ontario…
Fuck you.
Also, very accurate, and I hate it. Take your upvote and get out.
if Ontario defines what “liberal” is, then we’re doomed.
Depends on where in Ontario we’re talking about … everything south of Orillia is basically the United States, between Orillia and North Bay is like the Ozarks, between North Bay and Thunder Bay is equal parts socialist and capitalist, and the entire France sized north is the chaotic frontier (I know because I’m indigenous and this is where my family is from).
Ontario isn’t one mentality and every election cycle, there is more and more of a need to break up the regions because the south doesn’t represent the north and the north is constantly in conflict with the south.
fair enough. My experience is only with what the provincial government does, so, like you say, I don’t get a view of the north.
Does Ontario only look liberal in comparison with Alberta?
They both look like three oligopolies in a trenchcoat.
Ontario politicians don’t show the same overt ideological capture that defines Albertan politics, but it’s there under the surface.
50/50?
*Canada outside of Quebec and some parts of New Brunswick
Yeah real french is skipping french class and forgetting that quebec exists :)
I once encountered a theory that North American english was potentially closer to historical english because it was less influenced by neighboring countries. I doubt that, now. But it’s an interesting idea.
As a yank who lived in the UK (East Sussex) for several years, I can share the sentiments of my mates there that they believe we Americans still speak a more traditional version of the language than they do now. Specifically pronunciation of words.
For example, Americans have retained the pronunciation of the final “r” in words like “father” and “mother,” while the UK has dropped it. Americans have maintained the “flat a” sound of cat in words like “path” and “class” whereas the UK has mostly replaced that sound with the “broad a” of “father.”
It’s not an exact science, but the rate of change in the language there has gone beyond the 18th century version we Americans still speak today and thus, it can be said American English, at least pronunciation, is more traditional.
On the class/path a: it depends where you are in the UK. In the north, it tends to be the flat a, in the south it tends to be the broad a. There’s a lot of variation in accent within the UK, to the point that you can identify pretty accurately where someone is from using something this quiz: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/02/15/upshot/british-irish-dialect-quiz.html.
Anecdotally, I think it is becoming a bit more uniform than it used to be, due to people moving around more than they did historically, though
North American French is like that
It is much more formal and traditional compared to France French (No idea about Haiti)
Because of laws preventing loan words
Québec French is a lot of things, but I wouldn’t call it formal. Heck, one of the core formal things about French (vouvoiement) barely gets used here in Canada, compared to France/Belgium/Switzerland where it’s omnipresent.
Regarding the traditional aspects, I’d say it preserves a certain tradition, but it’s also full of innovations. It’s far from medieval! I wouldn’t say French-speakers in Quebec speak like kings and queens of the 1700s.
It is very different to European or African French, that’s for sure!
https://theinternetsaysitstrue.com/2022/08/08/is-the-original-english-accent-still-alive-in-parts-of-the-united-states/ an interesting article on the subject that includes videos
Then there’s the people who say Shakespeare makes much more sense, flows better, and better play on words when spoken with an older UK accent (or Irish?), so nothing like North American.
(Lots of results but no easy blurb to read on what it was. But I recall hearing some and it was nothing like North American accent.)
Look at stop signs in France and Quebec, then you know whats up.
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