Hey guys, it was brought up in a report that NSFW tags should be applied to posts depicting drug use. What do you guys think? I could see it either way and thought you guys might like to weigh in on it. I personally don’t find it particularly offensive but my work environments have never been the type to react strongly to something like this popping up on screen (I think they might be more upset about being on Lemmy at all). Currently there is no rule, and I am fine with that, unless feedback indicates the community would rather play it safe and require the NSFW flag.
I appreciate the many voices here. It seems like consensus is that the tag is not needed as a general rule. I want to be clear, also, that the NSFW tag is not censorship, but also doesn’t seem necessary either. Thank you guys for chiming in!
I think for issues like this it may be good to develop a practice of using the spoiler tag with a warning attached. This way it’s up to the reader to decide if they want to read it and is flexible enough to cover all of the various use cases.
NSFW has typically been used for things that are visually disturbing, like gore and sexually explicit materials. Using it for ideas that aren’t safe for work feels like it would devalue the tag.
The tag is for warning people browsing at work not to click… Using it to prevent someone from clicking on a post that would be unacceptable to read at the workplace is exactly what it’s for
It’s not like it’s censorship, it’s just a warning tag.
It also hasn’t been used literally for a very long time.
What about a person injecting themselves? I don’t think anyone is necessarily complaining about smoking, but personally I don’t exactly want to be seeing pictures of people injecting themselves or others, others especially, without any potential warning.
You’re not going to get fired for looking, at work, at a picture of a person injecting themselves.
That is the basis of the NSFW tag
Maybe stick to Instagram
That possibly counts as gore, regardless of whether the drugs are recreational or medicinal. However, there will be exceptions.
I’d definitely count an injection taking place as gore.
I think you are on the right train of thought for this. A real person injecting themselves probably should be considered a NSFW image but a cartoon/meme character shouldn’t be.
Yeah I don’t think people have much of a problem with a cartoon or a meme, as long as it isnt a real photo of a real person (or AI generated/whatever, looks real).
Not sure about NSFG tag though, I think that umbrella is too large. Also, depends on the grandma.
I’d count that as visually disturbing, in the same way an injury could be. I’d certainly wince at the sight of a needle being poked into someone.
And some people freak out with spiders, we can’t accommodate every single phobia out there.
Public advertisements depict people getting vaccines FFS LOL.
Insulin?
No thanks, I’m fine
So you also have an issue with people breast feeding in public?
The human body is not something to be ashamed of, the only reason why you think injections are bad is because of war on drugs, people inject themselves or get injections with legal stuff all the time. Vaccines…?
Censor it! Most things can be unsafe for work. What if you are a formula one driver?? You should not be breastfeeding while driving a gazillion miles per 860 seconds
I’m sure most race tracks have breast feeding places actually. Lots of workplaces embrace it, sorry. It’s also legal in public… so…
Yes! This is all about being offended by breastfeeding! Everything is about breastfeeding!
I’m not sure how you got here from there, but that’s a pretty weird take.
Many people, perhaps even a majority, are grossed out by needles, in a similar way to blood or other physical injuries. I think warning someone about that is only fair.
NSFW should be used to warn against things that are visually disturbing, not ideas or concepts.
And people don’t have trauma related to drinking?
Do we need to nsfw spiders? What about other phobias…?
What you find non-disturbing other people will. That’s a very ignorant take.
I don’t have any trauma related to needles, and I’ve had plenty of injections and blood tests over the years. I still find needles gross, like I would any other wound, and based on what’s happening in the thread, I’d say that’s a pretty common belief.
Most people who need insulin administer it very differently from people injecting heroin, for example. I am sorry for people that do need insulin injections, but I don’t really want to see that without any warning on my frontpage.
Diabetics I have known that do require insulin injections also usually have a device that covers the needle similar to what an epipen looks like. The needle itself is not actually very visible, and the injection site is often clean and not swiss cheese.
Basically, I don’t exactly want my frontpage to assault my eyes with heroin addicts posting pictures of themselves shooting up because they think its totally fine to post that since there is no rule requiring that to at least be NSFW tagged.
An injections an injection. I’m sorry you think there’s a difference.
I don’t like seeing people drinking on my feed, that’s a drug too. But ones apparently acceptable and ones not? Its probably because of people who think for some reason that natural human functions are to be looked down on.
People draw arbitrary lines for everything, smoking a cigarette is fine, but a joint isn’t for those same people. You are apparently part of this hypocrisy group.
One involves poking a hole in someone’s skin, which a lot of people get the heebie-jeebies about. NSFW should be used on things people find visually disturbing.
Lots of public advertisements depict people getting vaccines.
Oh no, it’s a needle!
Needles aren’t scary.
That’s a very privileged thing for you to say, I think. It’s also a bit bizarre how much you’ve dug your heels in over this.
I would hazard a guess that this was brough up in reference to a meme on this board showing a close up of someone snorting a line of white powder. I can completely understand why that might not be considered suitable for all places and audiences.
Some people can’t drink at work, the double standards of people is hilarious.
Looking at pictures of beer or people drinking is no different.
Some people can’t drink at work
I think you’ll find that’s most people actually.
Lots of places have beer fridges, or let their employees hit the bar for lunch or wine and wine clients on the company dollar.
The hell you talking about?
You done stalking me yet?
Possibly, but a workplace where even a joke about drug use would be an employment issue would be pretty unusual.
Would it be safe to look at, at work?
I wanna know what jobs y’all have that simply being on Lemmy itself isn’t NSFW.
I’m thinking what about during your break etc, not just when you’re on the clock.
Computer stuff, WFH!
Quick edit; when I’m in the office it’s totally okay to play on my phone as much as I want as long as I get my computing done!
Grown up jobs.
I think it would be safer to have an NSFW tag, especially considering the different ways people use drugs and the various effects of it.
No, depictions of drug use aren’t nsfw. And if we start censoring it, why not also start censoring other relatively harmless concepts like depictions of weapons or cursewords? We don’t want this, and trying to enforce it would add additional, unnecessary work to both you and the admins.
If you can’t show the list to your boss then it should be marked nsfw
I think that would be a bit much.
I say if you label something not safe for work because of a drug, then it must be for all drugs including caffeine. No talks about coffee at work, or doughnuts; get those added sugars out of here. Far more people die in America from heart issues than people from eating edible gummies. Why would you ban one and not the other.
If it’s particularly gory maybe?? I don’t think so in general.
Isn’t NSFW for gore/erotica.
It definitely is for those things, but in general it’s meant to encompass things that would cause problems if a coworker or manager looked over your shoulder. Graphic depictions of illegal drug use is borderline which is why I wanted to ask the community how they felt about it.
If you do drugs I would say that alcohol must be too, why one and not the other?
Just censor everything- it’s the internet after all and someone will be offended
An NSFW tag isn’t censorship, it’s a warning for people at WORK. if you don’t use it for what it’s for, that’s not working people problems, that’s your fault.
Yeah. Or that was the original meaning like 15 years back. Now there are hide nsfw settings in most clients and some of them where thats the default
Which you can easily turn off if you don’t browse Lemmy at work.
Just because you don’t use the tag for its intended purpose doesn’t mean everyone doesn’t. The tag has a clear purpose, denoted by what it stands for. Most people with adult jobs understand its purpose. Don’t ruin the tag’s purpose for the rest of us by devaluing it
That tag covers a lot of different things. This has been debated on reddit for 15 years, with no progress on other types of tags. It’s the only one, so while it says “work” it includes stuff a lot of us don’t need/want in general. It’s there to censor stuff
It isn’t censorship if you can just turn it off and see everything. It’s a warning for people who want to browse at work but not view content that can get them in trouble
Just turn it off and ignore it if it doesn’t apply to you. The rest of us want the tag to be used for its purpose.
You base this on some sort of research into usage of nsfw tagging or just pull shit out of your ass?
You probably shouldn’t doom scroll at work anyway.
This. I don’t know why people have such a hard time with the idea of sticking to curated spaces when they are at work or in public.
The NSFW tag is part of the mechanism to curate the feed.
I’m not sure why people get offended by people wanting to use social media but not wanting to view content that can get them fired. If the content doesn’t bother you, then you shouldn’t filter NSFW content. It’s not like the NSFW tag is censoring the content and preventing you from seeing it if you click it.
For people with jobs, why not make it easier to filter the things that companies don’t like? It doesn’t affect you any.
Unless you work as a doom scroller. But even then it can be dangerous and offending. Censor that too
Drugs in general is an overreach, but personally I think someone actively using a needle should be flagged. Regardless of what the needle is used for.
Public advertisements depict people getting vaccines and other shots. Thats a weird stance, when you could view that anywhere accidentally, not even online.
Newspapers, news channels, etc, all depict pictures and videos of people getting vaccines.
Why are you following me around?
What? These comments are all in the same post, I could ask you the exact same thing in few comments in this post lmfao.
This is even in a chain you responded to me first? The fuck…?
The internet is NSFW. Tags can’t fix stupid.
My rule of tumb: if someone is walking by would they stop and backtrack and go “WTF are you looking at at work?!” if no then it’s not NSFW. If it’s just text it’s not NSFW. ASCII art not withstanding.
I suspect that this may be partially a result of a recent post of mine that some may considered to be in bad taste. So this response is likely to be a bit biased.
For what it is worth, I considered tagging mine as NSFW but ultimately decided it was not necessary. I thought the image was very clearly a staged representation of drug use. Similar to how the Eric Andre meme is clearly a staged representation of murder. Further, there was no blood nor any indication of physical injury and I liked it to an image of somebody smoking pot or drinking to excess.
Do I think drug use alone require a NSFW tag? No.
Should drug coupled with blood, gore, physical injury, exploitation, etc? Possibly.
Text is never going to need the tag. To the contrary, if you’re at work reading text posts, and it’s tagged NSFW, it draws the eye more.
Tagging text posts would defeat the entire purpose of the tag in its useful purpose.
Drug use isn’t NSFW anyway, not in images or text.
What do you think the tag is for?
Pepe at work don’t (shouldn’t) click on NSFW-tagged content. If it draws your eye even more, then I assume you don’t browse from work.
How would it defeat the purpose to tag content that most workplaces would not be okay with? If you don’t mind seeing the content, then the tag might entice you. People at work will recognize it and not click
