There are places that have a lot of bears dumbass, most bears are black bears and black bears leave you the fuck alone. And if it decides to fuck you up for whatever reason you don’t have to worry bout it raping you too.
The ridiculousness of it you take as women being sexist. If you had half a fucking brain you would realize that the point of the purposefully ridiculous thought experiment is to show that women fear men in a way that you and I, as men, do not see in our own lives. Me and you living life in a prairie with no predators in sight.
Yeah that’s great and all so maybe just say something reasonable instead of a hyperbolic statement to show whatever. I can’t just say “all women are bitches” but then clarify that what I meant was just to illustrate blah blah
If the point of you saying something sexist was to make a non-sexist point, you have completely and utterly failed.
For the most part, women aren’t saying that all men are dangerous.
We’re saying that a significant percentage of them are—as established by the fact that the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment and/or assault at least once—and that “bad” men and “good” men are often indistinguishable from each other… for the first few minutes, hours, days, months, or even years of knowing them.
And then there are the many men who may not actively harass or assault women, but look away and remain silent when they witness their friends doing it. Those men are unsafe, too.
Anyone who perceives this hypothetical situation as “sexist” is not bothering to actually listen to what women are saying, which tracks. Hit dogs holler.
Let’s say i choose being in the woods with a bear over a woman. Does that make me sexist? I personally dont see it. Im not setting a different standard for men or women. Maybe I’m just gay, or afraid of women. I dont see how it’s sexist if i say, im more afraid of x than y. Therefore, i choose y. Maybe, I have more bad experiences with x, leaving y. Sexism would be to set different standards for the sexes where this question isn’t setting different standards for men and women. It’s pointing out that the already existent standards for men and women and how different they are.
Or particularly stupid about wild animals and how dangerous they are.
I suppose it’s possible that you think bears are just cute cuddly creatures that would never harm anyone, so obviously you’d prefer to be with a bear.
In fact I suspect that’s behind a lot of pro-Bear answers, at least partially. Sure, some sexism, but also a giant heap of regular old “what is the capital of Africa” style stupidity.
Yeah, where do these dumb broads get off being scared of men? Get assaulted 2 or 3 times, maybe raped a couple, and all of a sudden men are the problem? So super dumb. Women as a species are just stupid, and they have no idea what they feel, so it’s up to us men to tell them how they should feel about us. With violence if necessary. God, it’s good being superior in every possible way to these silly girls.
You’re being a pedant and intentionally ignoring the message. And men are calling women stupid while pretending to be stupid (or God forbid, actually being stupid). Learn what a metaphor and hyperbole is, and their literary functions. Then realize this isn’t about literally spending time in the woods with a bear.
So, what you’re saying is it’s not sexist for women to say they’re afraid of men, and if you are that means you’re a dangerous sort of man. And of course the fear is acceptable because statistics say men are more likely to do violence than women, justifying that it’s not sexist - just statistics.
Now as a hypothetical, imagine white folks looking at FBI violent crime stats (UCR Table 43 if you’re curious) and saying they’re afraid of blacks. You can see how that’s racist, right? Even though statistics say black folks are more likely to assault, rape or kill you than white folks? Still racist, right? Should black folks be upset or insulted by the white folks in this hypothetical, and if they are does that make them part of the problem?
I keep seeing this like it’s some sort of gotcha. It isn’t.
Disregarding the fact that the power dynamics are reversed…actually, no, never mind. Black violence is systemically perpetuated by a malicious and powerful group of people who thought it was okay to own people like property and still struggle to see black people as human. We are put in prisons, shot, and killed over these systemically enforced biases that we continually struggle to escape from. This issue is political because my very existence in this country is political, and it has to be tackled from many different directions to overcome due to its influence going back generations and being rooted in actual evil.
Women are scared of men because men have been scaring them all throughout history. Matriarchies are significantly more rare than patriarchies, because men have historically been dicks and lust for power. They also have historically been slaves to lust, and regularly take advantage of women to sate their lust. In both examples, men and women are animals subservient to a dominant power.
That said, what do you think my response is to a misinformed white human who thinks I’m a dangerous criminal based only on the color of my skin?
Just say you’re scared of men. That’s still unreasonable and a little insulting, but understandable. Don’t rank us below a wild bear. The bear is what makes men angry.
Feeling insulted is a red flag dude. That’s an aggressive response to something that doesn’t actually affect you negatively if you aren’t a threat. If you are good, your actions will demonstrate this, and women won’t feel so threatened.
Are you insulted when a kitten is wary of you? And hides under the couch because you might hurt her? Do you blame the kitten for running from your imposing stature and booming voice? If a kitten was abused before making it to you, do you hold it against the kitten? Or do you nurture her and show her that you are a friend and that you have no intention of ever hurting her? People need to feel safe the same way a kitten does. This is not a bad thing.
Speaking as a woman who has been assaulted and harassed on multiple occasions by more than one man, I’d just interject that bears can at least be pretty predictable. If you don’t bother it, it very probably won’t bother you. The men who have assaulted and/or harassed me were people that (I thought) I knew and had been normal up to that point.
This is a hyperbole, and if push comes to shove, I would rather be dropped in a forest with another human… but if that human is a man that is a stranger, then I’m going to have a different kind of guard up than I would for a bear.
TL;DR: It’s easier to predict animal behavior than human behavior, and the best won’t lie about being a friend before attacking you.
The issue is many women are going “obviously it’s hyperbole”, “obviously it’s an analogy”, so maybe don’t say shit like that? It’s insulting.
And then you get some other (mentally ill imo) women saying, no, I would literally rather be mauled by a bear than have to exist around a male stranger.
That’s just facts. Look at the responses. “I’ve never been attacked by a bear” yeah and you’ve never fallen off a 40 story building, would you jump rather than take your chances with a stranger?
All the responses I’m seeing so far are either misandrist or stupid. “I’ve never been mauled by a bear” is stupid. “All men are potential rapists” is misandry.
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
“All men are potential rapists” was literally the point of a couple of “feminist art projects” at colleges when I was a teenager. One literally made and distributed a list of “potential rapists” that was just a list of all the male students (if I recall this was at University of Maryland in the early 90s), another made up literal wanted posters with photos of randomly selected male students labeling them “potential rapist”. Those were neither the first nor the last people to assert that or something very similar.
There have been various other bits along these lines over the years. Even if the bear thing isn’t about that (and I’d argue that if the same thing were pulled but targeting a group that’s not an acceptable target, the bigotry would be obvious), it’s definitely a thing that’s been part of the discourse and invoked often enough and for long enough that it’s certainly in mind in reaction to it.
The bear thing is misandry in more or less exactly the same way the Pence Rule is misogyny.
If women saw as many strange bears every day as they see strange men, there would be a lot more maulings than sexual assaults.
Yeah, it’s not hard to understand: apparently, a large number of women are fuckin stupid.
There are places that have a lot of bears dumbass, most bears are black bears and black bears leave you the fuck alone. And if it decides to fuck you up for whatever reason you don’t have to worry bout it raping you too.
If the question was specifically black bears, it would be closer to making sense. But still ridiculous.
The ridiculousness of it you take as women being sexist. If you had half a fucking brain you would realize that the point of the purposefully ridiculous thought experiment is to show that women fear men in a way that you and I, as men, do not see in our own lives. Me and you living life in a prairie with no predators in sight.
Women live in bear country.
Yeah that’s great and all so maybe just say something reasonable instead of a hyperbolic statement to show whatever. I can’t just say “all women are bitches” but then clarify that what I meant was just to illustrate blah blah
If the point of you saying something sexist was to make a non-sexist point, you have completely and utterly failed.
Just don’t say sexist things.
For the most part, women aren’t saying that all men are dangerous.
We’re saying that a significant percentage of them are—as established by the fact that the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment and/or assault at least once—and that “bad” men and “good” men are often indistinguishable from each other… for the first few minutes, hours, days, months, or even years of knowing them.
And then there are the many men who may not actively harass or assault women, but look away and remain silent when they witness their friends doing it. Those men are unsafe, too.
Anyone who perceives this hypothetical situation as “sexist” is not bothering to actually listen to what women are saying, which tracks. Hit dogs holler.
Just don’t say sexist things. I shouldn’t have to parse some hidden meaning out from your sexism. Don’t say sexist things.
Let’s say i choose being in the woods with a bear over a woman. Does that make me sexist? I personally dont see it. Im not setting a different standard for men or women. Maybe I’m just gay, or afraid of women. I dont see how it’s sexist if i say, im more afraid of x than y. Therefore, i choose y. Maybe, I have more bad experiences with x, leaving y. Sexism would be to set different standards for the sexes where this question isn’t setting different standards for men and women. It’s pointing out that the already existent standards for men and women and how different they are.
Yes.
Or particularly stupid about wild animals and how dangerous they are.
I suppose it’s possible that you think bears are just cute cuddly creatures that would never harm anyone, so obviously you’d prefer to be with a bear.
In fact I suspect that’s behind a lot of pro-Bear answers, at least partially. Sure, some sexism, but also a giant heap of regular old “what is the capital of Africa” style stupidity.
Most bears would prefer to be left alone… Or fed stale donuts and marshmallows if you have any.
Most men too
Yeah, where do these dumb broads get off being scared of men? Get assaulted 2 or 3 times, maybe raped a couple, and all of a sudden men are the problem? So super dumb. Women as a species are just stupid, and they have no idea what they feel, so it’s up to us men to tell them how they should feel about us. With violence if necessary. God, it’s good being superior in every possible way to these silly girls.
Where do they get off comparing men to something they’ve never experienced (being alone with a bear)?
Compare apples to oranges then darvo when you’re called out on your misandrist false comparison…
You’re being a pedant and intentionally ignoring the message. And men are calling women stupid while pretending to be stupid (or God forbid, actually being stupid). Learn what a metaphor and hyperbole is, and their literary functions. Then realize this isn’t about literally spending time in the woods with a bear.
The words are the message. Women do not get a pass to insult all men and then say “oh, what I really meant was…”
No, fuck that. You said what you said, and it’s sexist as hell.
The women said they’re scared of men. You took it as an insult and became hostile. You are the bear.
So, what you’re saying is it’s not sexist for women to say they’re afraid of men, and if you are that means you’re a dangerous sort of man. And of course the fear is acceptable because statistics say men are more likely to do violence than women, justifying that it’s not sexist - just statistics.
Now as a hypothetical, imagine white folks looking at FBI violent crime stats (UCR Table 43 if you’re curious) and saying they’re afraid of blacks. You can see how that’s racist, right? Even though statistics say black folks are more likely to assault, rape or kill you than white folks? Still racist, right? Should black folks be upset or insulted by the white folks in this hypothetical, and if they are does that make them part of the problem?
I keep seeing this like it’s some sort of gotcha. It isn’t.
Disregarding the fact that the power dynamics are reversed…actually, no, never mind. Black violence is systemically perpetuated by a malicious and powerful group of people who thought it was okay to own people like property and still struggle to see black people as human. We are put in prisons, shot, and killed over these systemically enforced biases that we continually struggle to escape from. This issue is political because my very existence in this country is political, and it has to be tackled from many different directions to overcome due to its influence going back generations and being rooted in actual evil.
Women are scared of men because men have been scaring them all throughout history. Matriarchies are significantly more rare than patriarchies, because men have historically been dicks and lust for power. They also have historically been slaves to lust, and regularly take advantage of women to sate their lust. In both examples, men and women are animals subservient to a dominant power.
That said, what do you think my response is to a misinformed white human who thinks I’m a dangerous criminal based only on the color of my skin?
I prove them wrong.
Just say you’re scared of men. That’s still unreasonable and a little insulting, but understandable. Don’t rank us below a wild bear. The bear is what makes men angry.
Feeling insulted is a red flag dude. That’s an aggressive response to something that doesn’t actually affect you negatively if you aren’t a threat. If you are good, your actions will demonstrate this, and women won’t feel so threatened.
Are you insulted when a kitten is wary of you? And hides under the couch because you might hurt her? Do you blame the kitten for running from your imposing stature and booming voice? If a kitten was abused before making it to you, do you hold it against the kitten? Or do you nurture her and show her that you are a friend and that you have no intention of ever hurting her? People need to feel safe the same way a kitten does. This is not a bad thing.
Are you saying women have the intelligence of a kitten?
Speaking as a woman who has been assaulted and harassed on multiple occasions by more than one man, I’d just interject that bears can at least be pretty predictable. If you don’t bother it, it very probably won’t bother you. The men who have assaulted and/or harassed me were people that (I thought) I knew and had been normal up to that point.
This is a hyperbole, and if push comes to shove, I would rather be dropped in a forest with another human… but if that human is a man that is a stranger, then I’m going to have a different kind of guard up than I would for a bear.
TL;DR: It’s easier to predict animal behavior than human behavior, and the best won’t lie about being a friend before attacking you.
The issue is many women are going “obviously it’s hyperbole”, “obviously it’s an analogy”, so maybe don’t say shit like that? It’s insulting.
And then you get some other (mentally ill imo) women saying, no, I would literally rather be mauled by a bear than have to exist around a male stranger.
Your rabid misogyny is showing. Maybe stop foaming at the mouth?
Logic = misogyny
Wow…lol
Ok I’ll bite. How many bears have you been alone with??? None? I’m shocked at your bad faith ad hominem attacks…wait no…no I’m not.
No,
= Misogyny.
It’s really not hard to spot when it’s that obvious.
That’s just facts. Look at the responses. “I’ve never been attacked by a bear” yeah and you’ve never fallen off a 40 story building, would you jump rather than take your chances with a stranger?
All the responses I’m seeing so far are either misandrist or stupid. “I’ve never been mauled by a bear” is stupid. “All men are potential rapists” is misandry.
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
Is it or is it not stupid as hell to prefer the bear?
Considering you’ve been so level headed and reasonable to interact with…
“All men are potential rapists” was literally the point of a couple of “feminist art projects” at colleges when I was a teenager. One literally made and distributed a list of “potential rapists” that was just a list of all the male students (if I recall this was at University of Maryland in the early 90s), another made up literal wanted posters with photos of randomly selected male students labeling them “potential rapist”. Those were neither the first nor the last people to assert that or something very similar.
There have been various other bits along these lines over the years. Even if the bear thing isn’t about that (and I’d argue that if the same thing were pulled but targeting a group that’s not an acceptable target, the bigotry would be obvious), it’s definitely a thing that’s been part of the discourse and invoked often enough and for long enough that it’s certainly in mind in reaction to it.
The bear thing is misandry in more or less exactly the same way the Pence Rule is misogyny.
So not the topic of this thread or what anyone here is talking about.
Or did I miss the point when the subject changed from “recent meme” to “project Schadarach saw as a teenager”?
Boy, I wonder if misandry causes more misogny…
Holy shit, man just said she deserves it. What the fuck?
This would be a great topic to bring up in therapy.
Look, a rare upvoted satansmaggotycumfart post.