I don’t get it, what’s to be mad about? Please pick the bear and leave me alone at my campsite.
More empathy is needed on both sides. If you don’t understand how being told that women think that you’re more dangerous than a bear could be inflammatory, then you’re just as lacking in empathy as the people who don’t understand that enough men are so fucking shitty that many women would choose bear
But also it’s a taking point question, of course it’s gong to spark debate snd memes, it’s silly to say that only one side gets to make jokes or have feelings.
I think I came off a bit too abrasively, but I was trying to make the same point as you, and missed that parent comment was a joke 🤦
Apologies, it is clearly a joke now that I look at it again
You know what’s more insulting to me as a man? The fact that one out of every six women will be sexually assaulted.
Being told that women are afraid of men isn’t insulting; it’s reasonable.
It is insulting though. It being true doesn’t make it less so. You can communicate the truth in such a way that it doesn’t alienate potential allies, and create potential enemies
If being told that your gender is a threat makes you an enemy you were never going to be an ally in the first place.
Okay? That’s just not true though. I’ve convinced people in this thread that were vehemently anti-bear to agree with the actual point behind the issue, “enough men are shit to women, that they’d choose bear”.
It’s just a little understanding that using an insult/inflammatory statement like this, then using the post title to charge it further can cause knee jerk reactions in people.
Hell a good amount of the anti-bear crowd are women. It’s unfair for you to expect the majority of men to be as emotionally developed as you are when a good chunk of women don’t get it either
You are an individual! You do not need to make this general question about yourself! Gahh, it’s like trying to talk to myself 10 years ago.
I’m not, I’m just stating how a good amount of people clearly think. It’s unfair to be so aggressive to what’s a reasonable reaction to an inflammatory question
Lots of people have mental health issues, and somehow, women prefer to let it out on men.
Like, I get that women feel unsafe. That has a lot of environmental, work related, stress related reasons. Somehow, women think that men are the problem.
Hello I am here to argue on behalf of the Bear
The problem is that the argument isn’t about the bear, it’s about emotions.
The dudes trying to defend themselves feel personally attacked, because telling someone that the average woman thinks they’re more dangerous than a bear feels both unfair and discriminatory.
The people on bear side, encounter enough men that they feel like the average man is more likely to harm them compared to bear.
The scenario is so unlikely to occur that any factual arguments are impossible to prove either way. And the way the question is structured (either accidentally or otherwise) is inflammatory and divisive.
I’m sure everyone can agree that women have to deal with shitty predatory men way too often. And that’s the thought that the question is meant to provoke.
People defending most men aren’t automatically predators and stalkers, please have a little empathy for them, and hopefully they’ll have a little empathy for you
Lotta weak men in these comments.
- Unless you’re a rapist or molester, this meme isn’t about you.
- 1 in 5 https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/09/05/cdc-1-in-5-women-raped-often-by-someone-they-know
- Stop being so fragile.
G uaranteed we are dangerous. Can easily rip toilet paper no sweat
The best part of this thread are the people coming from inclusive LGBTQ+ communities and who should know better unironically adopting narrow cisgender perspectives trying to rage bait stereotypes while becoming stereotypes that get rage baited themselves.
Um, trigger warning I guess.
As an autist who has encountered bullying throughout my life, men have generally been kinder to me than women. Women seems to “sniff” out my otherness and sideline me for it. Men seem to take it easy on me.
So I think the argument is unfairly gendered. I’ve encountered enough women who’re just as malicious and damaging as the men bear-choosing people are avoiding. A mean woman would leave me to die in the forest while she fends for herself. In middle and high school, I was only ever physically threatened by a girl bullies. So idk, I am biased by my trauma I guess.
The thing is, it’s a hyperbole going out of control.
Many women hear stories of assault and rape and whatever, and many then face a male, or even several, who really act in a threatening way, and this confirms it even further, and before you know it, many women start to believe that the average male is a hungry violent rapist who’s after them.
You know what happens when you see a bear in the forest and the bear sees you? Depending on circumstances and your behavior, the bear either walks away or jumps at you.
And when there’s a man?
You can ask for directions and receive them, or be guided to wherever you wanna go, or - in some truly slim chance - actually get attacked in any way (most likely if the person is insane)
Men are people, with absolute majority of them being completely normal and respectful human beings with literally 0 intent to hurt you.
People who raise awareness about rapists, abusers, murderers or whatnot, are doing the good thing
People who are feeding into the culture of fear of men are doing society a disservice (and potentially even radicalize some of the actually bad men).
(Also, women can be rapists and murderers and abusers, especially domestic abusers - it’s not a male prerogative, even if it is somewhat more common among males)
Hmm I wonder why young men are either watching Andrew Tate or killing themselves
Jfc, they’re still going… 🤯🤦♀️
As this post surpasses 1000 replies (the most I’ve ever seen on any post on the fedi), I think it’s worth mentioning Lewis’s law which is being proven here over and over and over and over and over again:
The comments on any article about feminism justify the existence of feminismThey just can’t fucking help themselves…
Anyone that gets so offended by someone trying to have a conversation/ explain data or facts is the one with the serious issues here.
In the worst case scenario of such an encounter, and I mean worst case scenario: As a woman I would rather be mauled to death and eaten by a bear than be raped, killed, raped again, shared with his mates and ultimately possibly eaten by a man.
I’ve heard some pretty gruesome tales of bear attacks. I think these women are underestimating how bad being mauled by a bear could be.
And you’re WILDLY underestimating the rates of bear attacks versus rape, murder and assault.
One out of six women will experience some sort of sexual assault, versus about 40 bear attacks per year. A bear is predictable, it will mostly just go about its business, but a man that knows we are alone in the woods?
Are those one out of six women having the same amount of contact with wild bears than they have with men? Otherwise you are just proving that you cannot read statistics, or rather you can but chose to push an agenda - like a predator.
Thinking that a random man inherently has to be a predator, so you disregard the animal that we know for a fact is a predator, is nothing but irrational. But feel free to prove us all wrong and go try to talk to some bears instead of men and we will see how long it will take for things to go south. I’d say the average number of men you’ve talked to in your lives, good or bad, are a good start to work through for your bear dates. After that we’ll at least have some very rough comparable data to compare.
Apples to oranges unless you want to fill the population with as many bears are there are men and see which one attacks more people.
You clearly have no idea how to interpret or compare these statistics.
The average woman will encounter tens of thousands of men each year. The average woman will encounter near-zero bears.
Those assaults aren’t from strangers is the piece of information omitted, it’s men in their family or inner circle abusing power or taking advantage of trust. The perception that all men are a threat is seriously damaging our youth and in fact creating a larger issue as it radicalizes them into ideologies that don’t value others as a reactionary turn to the way they feel treated.
This shit is bad and you should feel bad for propagating it.
Not saying you’re wrong, but the conditional probability P(Mauled by bear | encountered bear) is way higher than the total probability P(Mauled by bear), and an argument of this kind should be based on the conditional probability.
Right?! You hear tales of bear attacks because they are so rare, not because they are so frequent. I am a man and I’d still much rather encounter a bear in the woods than another man.
You’re an idiot. I’ve encountered men in the woods and guess what happened? They waved and said hi. If I ever saw a bear in the woods I’d shit my pants.
Touch a nerve, pussy? I’ve seen plenty of bears in the woods.
You’ve seen plenty of bears in the woods but never another man?
It’s not a statement on reality, but a statement on perception. One I agree with as a guy. I don’t really know how to deal with a bear, but if the hypothetical involves any indication of oddness, I think I’d rather risk walking away from a bear than finding out if there’s a crazy looking for their next victim.
Sure, the person has more positive possible outcomes, but if my intention is to stay alone, why go through the risk? Hell, my antisocial ass would probably start acting weirder to try and scare them!
I’ve heard some pretty gruesome tales of domestic violence. I think these women are underestimating how bad being mauled by a man could be.
This is literally the guy in the meme
I’m a men and i picked the bear. lol
