• cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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      19 days ago

      Lol, ig “egocentric” should be part of the official tankie toolkit, and yes you were tagged a tankie a long time ago.

      These posts aren’t for you, they’re for swaying sane .ml users to leave, showing the true colors of .ml to newbies as quickly as possible and to hopefully encourage non-.ml users to avoid posting and commenting on .ml communities

      • Allero@lemmy.today
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        19 days ago

        Assuming this to be a working strategy (and not a way of swaying new users out of Lemmy in general), what’s the endgame? If everyone you deem “sane” leaves the place, it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk, visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?

        • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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          19 days ago

          it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk

          It’s already a tankie circle jerk over there, you can’t concentrate what’s already concentrated.

          visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?

          Visible yes, but its a LOT easier to say “Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, they’re small so just block it and move on” rather than

          “Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, but they’re also one of the biggest instances, so if you block them you’ll be cutting off a decent chunk of non-tankie content”

          So many stories of “I signed up on .ml because it was one of the biggest, then I realized it was full of Tankies and signed up elsewhere” and if there’s stories of that, there’s probably many more where the person just left and never came back because what they saw was a place was full of toxic tankies

      • MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml
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        19 days ago

        For me posts like this just make me embarrassed to be on Lemmy in general. It’s like making a post about how you get upset when you get an email from a Gmail account.

              • MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml
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                19 days ago

                No I said this post made me embarrassed to be here. The instance fighting is one of the worst aspects of this site.

                • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  19 days ago

                  Okay, if you feel embarrassed do something about it. No one’s going to stop arguing just because you feel embarrassed. Furthermore, the reason people are bashing people on ml is because their collective behavior has been atrocious. Here’s some things you could try:

                  1. Advocate for a culture of better inter-instance conduct between ml and other platforms (this will likely get you ridiculed and if it ever works, it won’t be soon.)
                  2. Get on an instance that isn’t as hostile (highly recommended)
                  3. Leave the platform (this will produce the most immediate and thorough results)
        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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          19 days ago

          And look at the responses you get for pointing out that everyone else is acting immature in here too. Yeah Lemmy is an embarrassment.

          • MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml
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            19 days ago

            Yeah. Lemmy was a good idea but I don’t think it’s user base will ever be good enough to make this a pleasant place for good communities to thrive. And it’s not because of tankies or liberals, it’s because of assholes.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    20 days ago

    Its insane how much shit .ml and .world users fling at eachother. Ml is filled with smug historical revisionist authoritarians and Russia bootlicking other empire supporting “anti-imperalists”, meanwhile .world is filled with genocide apologizing western imperialists and neoliberal bootlickers for the capitalist class. Genuenly im not sure which is worse but they’re both obnoxious and unbearable, imperialism is imperialism regardless of the empire.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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      16 days ago

      The ML mod in a game community telling a user that they wanted to shoot them, then doubled down on that, then tripled down still further with “I hope you die soon” points to systemic issues (such issues are widespread and well-known, as well as the entire-instance perma-bans routinely dished out by the admins themselves; you can directly read the mods own words for this particular event here).

      LW mods have some issues as well, but e.g. recently the one responsible for this latest string of short 24-hr bans has already apologized within hours of the occurrence, in another comment citing a potential misunderstanding of the extent to which she was asked by admins to have done so and acknowledging her own biases that lead to that (event).

      They are nowhere close to being the same. Definitely in degree at least if not entirely in kind.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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          16 days ago

          No idea, but even if so, a single mod (?) vs. an entire instance admin team are again nowhere near the same, for people who care about more than just that one singular issue.

          Moreover, and again even if so, a nuanced take on a supremely complicated issue would again be nowhere close to a DIRECT statement about wanting to be the one who ACTUALLY kills the person (“I want to shoot you because…”), ending with “I hope you die soon”, seems again to be nowhere close to the same degree.

          People are people and nobody’s perfect, but this kinda of both-sides-ism does not sit well with me. That’s not how we fix things irl, by being hasty with diagnoses and then going off half-cocked without a proper understanding of what needs to be done in order to achieve the desired end goal.

          Then again, neither of us have much skin in this game, both being on different instances so looking in at that fight from the outside:-). Except it’s easy to just instance block Lemmy.World communities and never have to interact with those admins or mods anymore, while it is extraordinarily difficult to defederate from the non-admin, non-mod regular users of ML spewing toxicity into communities located not on their home instance. That irks me, bc I wish for my consent to have mattered, but it takes enormous efforts to constantly block the trolls one by one.

          • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            16 days ago

            From what ive heard its several .world admins, yeah obviously telling a person to die sucks but imo it seems worse to say an entire people deserves to die. Also I didnt say “both sides” I explained why both sides suck for unique reasons.

            • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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              15 days ago

              I guess I was reacting to “Genuenly im not sure which is worse”, but yeah you explained why. ML has both admins (+mods) and also users spewing toxicity while for Lemmy.World it’s mostly just admins (+mods) that people complain about, but not the users, beyond what might be expected from any large instance filled to the brim with Reddit refugees.:-)

              But anyway it’s good to join communities and especially to post to those outside of Lemmy.World for other reasons as well, chiefly that it’s not taking full advantage of the concept of federation if everything is all concentrated onto just one instance.

              And all of this drama is a perfect example as to why that matters: people wouldn’t care so much what one mod did (I am not even subscribed to that community in the first place, in fact I blocked it long ago) or one set of admins if similar communities were distributed elsewhere all around the Fediverse. Federation is supposed to bring freedom, but that comes only if we decide to make use of it.

  • mhague@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Even though I came from reddit, I approach comments on their own merits and I don’t downvote just for disagreeing with someone.

    We are not the same.

      • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        20 days ago

        What is the real joke is categorizing people by which Lemmy instance they sign up to, and justifying it with a weak truism that “people self select for communities”. I believe it is utterly stupid, and t can also be motivated. In Lemmy.ml I have met some of the brighter minds of our generation.

        • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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          20 days ago

          I don’t categorize people from any other instance, but .ml is on a whole other level spreading their toxicity. It’s like a tankie factory.

          • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            20 days ago

            In all good faith, I am an anarchist who found ml randomly from some Privacy/Open Source searches. I signed up because I thought it was cool to be admitted in the flagship instance and I liked the anti-bigotry guidelines. Then I found out about all the drama, and I have zero fucks to give about inter-instance beefs. ML let’s me be, and I had no serious issues so far, I mostly like the crowd there, coming from Reddit even more so.

              • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                19 days ago

                This is moronic, and I shouldn’t validate it with an answer. There are tons of trans users in ml and I hardly think any of them holds any favourable views on him.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              19 days ago

              Here’s the thing though, you’ll be unable to convince us that .ml aren’t stupid shitheads because we’re here too, we see them too, we talk to them too and share in the experience just like you do, some (like me) going on 3y+ now. You can’t fool us because we experience it firsthand, you can only succeed in convincing us that you don’t see the problem because you’re one of “the problem.”

              • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                19 days ago

                because you’re one of “the problem.”

                I always aspired to be a problem. But see you have no justification for this statement. You are just lumping together everyone who shares a lemmy.ml address without an iota of data other than your personal impressions. This is just plain lamentable.

                Having said that, I hold extreme views right enough, since I don’t think there is such a thing as a middle ground to fascism. Do you see my 100% no-pasaran as a problem? And if yes, how low are you willing to stoop before setting your priorities right?

                • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  19 days ago

                  To borrow a quote from Kolank in this very thread:

                  You might not be an idiot, but you’re wearing a T-shirt that says “I AM AN IDIOT” in bold letters across your chest. Maybe change your shirt.

                  .ml is that T-shirt. I hope you get the help you need.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    19 days ago

    Lemmings realizing the devs of lemmy use lemmy.ml

    Lemmings realizing one of the devs is literally a teenager having fun by doing whatever he wants instead of complaining about instances

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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      19 days ago

      Tankie Toxicity should be called out regardless of background or age. In fact, a teenager should be exposed to the true authoritarianism roots more so so there’s a chance they don’t become permanently part of the tankie cult

  • hark@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Does “be civil” include constantly shitting on huge groups of users just because of the instance they created their account on? There’s a very simple solution for this if you truly believe an entire instance is worthless and it’s called the blocking function, but I suppose that’d stop the joy you get out of loudly complaining about that instance repeatedly.

    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      19 days ago

      i assume “be civil” just means that you can’t call people “dipshit asshole dumbass idiot” and things akin to that, i.e needless name calling, calling out perceived problems as long as done civilly, or being rude, but in a civil discussed manner, is i think fair game.

      i.e. i could call this a stupid post because it covers what should be clearly demonstrated by common moderation history, i.e. these kinds of threads stay around for a while, these kinds of comments tend to stick around, and that’s generally good enough reason to keep moderating as you are, precedent is a very strong thing.

      but i couldn’t just call you a dumbass because you should know this, and therefore you must be the most uneducated person in the history of humanity. Because that’s not civil.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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      20 days ago

      a) Huge groups of users well known to spread the promotion, praise and propaganda of dictatorships and other authoritarian governments, bigotry, racism and transphobia. Even when there are hard facts against them.

      b) The Lemmy blocking function isn’t anywhere as good as you think it is. Maybe even by design, the main admin on .ml is also the lead dev of Lemmy after all.

        • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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          20 days ago

          1. I actually didn’t make this meme, I cross posted it from someone else on !memes@sopuli.xyz

          2. It’s not like it’s a minority of users on .ml doing it that the admins/mods just haven’t brought the ban hammer down on. The admins are part of the problem along with mods cultivate the toxic tankie culture that gets shit on. It’s the non-tankie .ml users who are in the minority, they should have chosen a better crowd to hang with.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          19 days ago

          yeah uh, that’s the joke. That’s the obviously implication of the joke here.

          That’s like saying that “all murderers are bad” and then me going “well hey don’t you think is a little bit broad of a generalization? And unfair to people who were unfairly charged, or perhaps in inconvenient but justified circumstances?”

          You could make the meme say “lemmy.ml tankies running free posting tankie bullshit” but that doesn’t roll as well as “lemmy.ml doing tankie things because lemmy.ml seems to have no problem with tankies existing”

          • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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            19 days ago

            You could make the meme say “lemmy.ml tankies running free posting tankie bullshit” but that doesn’t roll as well as “lemmy.ml doing tankie things because lemmy.ml seems to have no problem with tankies existing”

            It did neither of those things though, so that’s irrelevant. It just says it’s a comment.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        19 days ago

        Can you point me to any member of these “huge groups of well known users” spreading bigotry, racism, and transphobia?

        First rule of using Lemmy: If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

        • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          19 days ago

          “Well known” is so patronizing. It’s like OP is saying “yeah, everyone knows about this, what are you, some kind of loser?”. Another one of those phrases that immediately discredits whatever allegation is to follow.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        19 days ago

        As does ml. Worse even. But the fact that both do is a defense of neither. So I’m not sure why you even bring it up. Be better. World isn’t tied to any particular political ideology. Ml 100% is. And if you mention absolute documented facts. You can and will be banned from there. Because the facts go against the narratives. World has its problems. But I haven’t seen anything approaching that yet.

      • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        20 days ago

        But theres a difference, when a .world mod defends genocide or promotes imperalism you know its ok because its in the name of Western Democracy ™. Tbh .ml and .world are basically in a competition on who can fling the most shit and who can bootlick the hardest.