White House says proposal is in line with deal outlined by Joe Biden in late May, but work is still to be done
  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
    202·
    2 days ago

    Charlie Brown’s got a real good feeling about it this time

    The issue the other 8 times was surely, he says, that the terms and conditions just hadn’t been 100% hammered out into acceptable details

    • jeffw@lemmy.world
      OPEnglish
      77·
      3 days ago

      This sounds like progress to me though. Each side is slowly coming around the the reality that they can’t dictate the terms to the other side

      • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
        123·
        3 days ago

        Israel can dictate the terms, though. They can just say what they want, and keep killing whether or not Hamas agrees.

        I won’t say Hamas is a good partner for peace because they are not. (And, in fact, their violence and corruption is part of why Likud supports them above other much better Palestinian leadership.) But Israel is the issue. No one who is bombing, starving, and displacing millions of people who just want to live and be able to stop suffering can simultaneously complain that their victims aren’t being reasonable enough in the peace process.

          • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
            75·
            3 days ago

            Hamas is the acting representative of Gaza.

            Now why do you think it’s good that victims of genocide, who’s demands are “stop killing us”, are realising they can’t get that?

            • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
              56·
              3 days ago

              What OP said is that neither side can dictate the other.

              Israel wants Palestine and Gaza wiped out entirely. Genocide by a bunch of imperialist asshole who believe being Jewish shields them from criticisms of fascist behaviour.

              Hamas wants to kill all Jews in the world. They’ve mentioned that at least 3 times in their 25 articles about why they’re doing what they’re doing.

              The sooner either side realises they’re not going to get what they want the better. However, I don’t think that’ll happen, because Israel is winning and being supplied with all the shiny toys from the US, and the whole world is just letting them do this.