If you feel like you are being attacked by rape victims saying they don’t trust men, you should probably look into why.
I don’t go out enough to feel so and my lack of upper body muscles also helps. At the same time,
I am very fine with not being considered safe, since I myself don’t consider anyone safe. I stay cautious, no matter whether it is a child I’m passing by or someone walking around with a rifle and seeing someone similarly be cautious towards me is not going to cause negative feelings.
My point is, don’t use statistics as a crutch to make people realise the problem, because statistics will eventually breakdown and you don’t want peoples’ enthusiasm towards fixing the problem, to breakdown along with it.
It’s important for people to understand that even if the cases were 1 in 1000, it still is a problem.
And now we’ve circled all the way around to be mostly in agreement. Weird.
I pointedly disagree with the idea using statistics as a crutch, but I’m a tad biased being a data engineer. When it’s 1 in 6 (disregarding dark numbers of bad actors) it gets things moving and provides a reference point for when we finally do get off our collective ass and do something. Kinda have to shotgun whatever motivation will get people moving when it’s that severe. There are many kinds of appeals and that one hits some people, much like an emotional argument hits others differently.
And yeah, 1 in 1000 is also unacceptable. And we can fight that battle when we get there. Let’s not borrow problems from a (much better) future.
The basis of me pointing that out is that if you use statistics as the measuring to for success (which seems like the only option, but at the same time is lazeasy) of this, then solution providers will use the easiest solution to it, which hovers around trusting every woman’s claim.
Combine that with the social stigma that comes with being accused of(whether or not proven) rape and the mental trauma that comes with being falsely accused of any problematic thing and you see statistics rise for other problems, which weren’t significant before.
Post that, you will have countermeasures for those, having to balance between statistics of occurrences one problem vs the other, while the fundamental problem remaining the same:
As long as there is no good enough way to identify the bandit, there will be incentive for people to willingly take the bandit route. And the bandits in general win.
I feel that you’re unnecessarily blaming statistics (which as someone who does them, doing them well takes work. Though no shortage of people doing them badly, I digress) for a different societal ill: mob mentality.
The ideal solution is to investigate each instance of rape and mete out justice appropriately. Obviously that’s not going to happen. And the current state of affairs is also no good. Obviously, there isn’t a legal way to really handle any of it because everything we’ve mentioned is a crime. It kinda comes down to a cultural shift. People need to be be more willing to accept that rape occurred (because fears of not being believed are pretty valid sadly) and also that justice takes too much time (also a big social problem) and that there should be a lot more stigma about false reporting and a whole bunch of other things. I’m not gonna solve this in a lemmy comment, but I’d hazard that we all need to listen to each other (myself included) to start. I still contend the reason we’re having this conversation is that not enough people listen to anyone that does get raped in addition to a system that hasn’t caught up to the population or the times. I further hazard it isn’t that people are unaware of the horror of being falsely accused, just that it isn’t the biggest issue at hand (though that is a bitter statement for the victim).
There’s no good easy solution, but progress can be made.
I don’t go out enough to feel so and my lack of upper body muscles also helps. At the same time,
I am very fine with not being considered safe, since I myself don’t consider anyone safe. I stay cautious, no matter whether it is a child I’m passing by or someone walking around with a rifle and seeing someone similarly be cautious towards me is not going to cause negative feelings.
My point is, don’t use statistics as a crutch to make people realise the problem, because statistics will eventually breakdown and you don’t want peoples’ enthusiasm towards fixing the problem, to breakdown along with it. It’s important for people to understand that even if the cases were 1 in 1000, it still is a problem.
And now we’ve circled all the way around to be mostly in agreement. Weird.
I pointedly disagree with the idea using statistics as a crutch, but I’m a tad biased being a data engineer. When it’s 1 in 6 (disregarding dark numbers of bad actors) it gets things moving and provides a reference point for when we finally do get off our collective ass and do something. Kinda have to shotgun whatever motivation will get people moving when it’s that severe. There are many kinds of appeals and that one hits some people, much like an emotional argument hits others differently.
And yeah, 1 in 1000 is also unacceptable. And we can fight that battle when we get there. Let’s not borrow problems from a (much better) future.
The basis of me pointing that out is that if you use statistics as the measuring to for success (which seems like the only option, but at the same time is lazeasy) of this, then solution providers will use the easiest solution to it, which hovers around trusting every woman’s claim.
Combine that with the social stigma that comes with being accused of(whether or not proven) rape and the mental trauma that comes with being falsely accused of any problematic thing and you see statistics rise for other problems, which weren’t significant before.
Post that, you will have countermeasures for those, having to balance between statistics of occurrences one problem vs the other, while the fundamental problem remaining the same:
And we diverge again, though not hugely so.
I feel that you’re unnecessarily blaming statistics (which as someone who does them, doing them well takes work. Though no shortage of people doing them badly, I digress) for a different societal ill: mob mentality.
The ideal solution is to investigate each instance of rape and mete out justice appropriately. Obviously that’s not going to happen. And the current state of affairs is also no good. Obviously, there isn’t a legal way to really handle any of it because everything we’ve mentioned is a crime. It kinda comes down to a cultural shift. People need to be be more willing to accept that rape occurred (because fears of not being believed are pretty valid sadly) and also that justice takes too much time (also a big social problem) and that there should be a lot more stigma about false reporting and a whole bunch of other things. I’m not gonna solve this in a lemmy comment, but I’d hazard that we all need to listen to each other (myself included) to start. I still contend the reason we’re having this conversation is that not enough people listen to anyone that does get raped in addition to a system that hasn’t caught up to the population or the times. I further hazard it isn’t that people are unaware of the horror of being falsely accused, just that it isn’t the biggest issue at hand (though that is a bitter statement for the victim).
There’s no good easy solution, but progress can be made.