Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can’t see why this would be any different.
Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I’ve read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I don’t know what the terms of this one are, but past cease fires have basically required Hamas to surrender. Giving up their only leverage, hostages, and allowing IDF to strictly control everyone and everything going in and out of Gaza, free to shut off power and water as they feel, and block aid.
As you say, they have very little leverage. What they can offer is returning the hostages and a guarantee of safety for Israel and in exchange, they can get peace and relative freedom. At this point they should probably negotiate for whatever they can get, because the alternative is complete destruction. Belligerence hasn’t worked out well for them, perhaps they should try something else.
I wouldn’t expect any trust and goodwill considering their stated goal is to genocide Jews and destroy Israel.
As you say, they have very little leverage. What they can offer is returning the hostages and a guarantee of safety for Israel and in exchange, they can get peace and relative freedom.
The only peace Gaza is getting out of an Israeli occupation is a worse version of the West Bank.
As best as I can find this is basically a deal that gives Israel it’s biggest ask in exchange for maybe not bombing during Ramadan. So yeah something they cooked up to make Hamas look unreasonable.
Yeah, which is why this shit is still going on. Hamas would be extremely naive to think a temporary ceasefire is anything more than a promise to start bombing again later after they’ve refreshed their troops and stockpiled more weapons.
Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire.
Palestinian officials have advocated for a permanent ceasefire, with the expectation that any concessions they extract from the Israelis will be forfeit as soon as a temporary ceasefire closes.
Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal
Right now, the primary advocates on behalf of the Palestinians are Qatari and Egyptian officials with sympathies toward their Arab neighbors. Any actual members of Hamas have been playing cat-and-mouse with Israeli assassins, which has in turn made the Israeli demands for a proper accounting of hostages very difficult.
After all, if you clearly state how many hostages survived the carpet-bombing of Northern Gaza, the Israelis can use that figure to coordinate their strikes in and around the southern end.
Egypt is essentially preparing a concentration camp in Sinai to house refugees from a seemingly inevitable Rafah campaign. I have some doubts about how well they’re advocating for Palestine’s interests.
The interests of Palestinians and the interests of Hamas aren’t the same thing. Egypt is doing the right thing by building refugee camps. But they also don’t want Hamas to be able to move freely in their country and link up with elements of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, it’s a tricky balance between helping the Palestinian people without giving the Hamas terrorists among them free movement in Egypt.
A lot of Hamas will die. The question is, how many Palestinian civilians do you want to die along with them?
Their interests seem pretty aligned on the issue of stopping the genocide. I don’t know what other interests you think they have that conflict with the well being of Palestinians but I doubt they’re even in the same ballpark as that extremely pressing, immediate issue.
Have you learned nothing from the “war on terror”? You can’t kill a distributed, loosely connected, highly entrenched resistance by bombing it away. If America couldn’t manage it in Iraq, what makes you think America Jr. is gonna pull it off? Shoving Palestinians off their land is the goal here, not killing Hamas.
Also fuck you for calling Egypt enclosing an undeveloped patch of desert with a wall a “refugee camp”. Clown.
Do you see the distinction between the US fighting a war on the other side of the world and Israel fighting against terrorists within home made rocket range?
The US had the option to pull out. Israel does not have the same options. Their survival is on the line.
People egging on the Palestinians to do more violence are just getting Palestinians killed. These backwards medieval notions that it’s like the crusades and Israel will just go away is just getting people killed and accomplishing nothing else. It’s this “River to the Sea” bullshit that’s causing women and children to get killed in the crossfire between psychopaths and a modern military. As it goes on Palestinians get less and less. But the asshole oil-rich Arabs that fund them and the psychos in Iran that arm them don’t give a shit. Palestinians are just being used as cannon fodder to make wealthy Arabs not feel completely humiliated over all the wars they lost against Israel.
Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can’t see why this would be any different.
Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I’ve read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I don’t know what the terms of this one are, but past cease fires have basically required Hamas to surrender. Giving up their only leverage, hostages, and allowing IDF to strictly control everyone and everything going in and out of Gaza, free to shut off power and water as they feel, and block aid.
Not to mention Israel doesn’t exactly have a stellar record when it comes to respecting ceasefires.
As you say, they have very little leverage. What they can offer is returning the hostages and a guarantee of safety for Israel and in exchange, they can get peace and relative freedom. At this point they should probably negotiate for whatever they can get, because the alternative is complete destruction. Belligerence hasn’t worked out well for them, perhaps they should try something else.
I wouldn’t expect any trust and goodwill considering their stated goal is to genocide Jews and destroy Israel.
The only peace Gaza is getting out of an Israeli occupation is a worse version of the West Bank.
As best as I can find this is basically a deal that gives Israel it’s biggest ask in exchange for maybe not bombing during Ramadan. So yeah something they cooked up to make Hamas look unreasonable.
Israel has repeatedly rejected any kind of permanent ceasefire
Yeah, which is why this shit is still going on. Hamas would be extremely naive to think a temporary ceasefire is anything more than a promise to start bombing again later after they’ve refreshed their troops and stockpiled more weapons.
Thank you for your list! I saw this recently and forgot to save it. Glad you’re on it.
Palestinian officials have advocated for a permanent ceasefire, with the expectation that any concessions they extract from the Israelis will be forfeit as soon as a temporary ceasefire closes.
Right now, the primary advocates on behalf of the Palestinians are Qatari and Egyptian officials with sympathies toward their Arab neighbors. Any actual members of Hamas have been playing cat-and-mouse with Israeli assassins, which has in turn made the Israeli demands for a proper accounting of hostages very difficult.
After all, if you clearly state how many hostages survived the carpet-bombing of Northern Gaza, the Israelis can use that figure to coordinate their strikes in and around the southern end.
Egypt is essentially preparing a concentration camp in Sinai to house refugees from a seemingly inevitable Rafah campaign. I have some doubts about how well they’re advocating for Palestine’s interests.
The interests of Palestinians and the interests of Hamas aren’t the same thing. Egypt is doing the right thing by building refugee camps. But they also don’t want Hamas to be able to move freely in their country and link up with elements of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, it’s a tricky balance between helping the Palestinian people without giving the Hamas terrorists among them free movement in Egypt.
A lot of Hamas will die. The question is, how many Palestinian civilians do you want to die along with them?
Their interests seem pretty aligned on the issue of stopping the genocide. I don’t know what other interests you think they have that conflict with the well being of Palestinians but I doubt they’re even in the same ballpark as that extremely pressing, immediate issue.
Have you learned nothing from the “war on terror”? You can’t kill a distributed, loosely connected, highly entrenched resistance by bombing it away. If America couldn’t manage it in Iraq, what makes you think America Jr. is gonna pull it off? Shoving Palestinians off their land is the goal here, not killing Hamas.
Also fuck you for calling Egypt enclosing an undeveloped patch of desert with a wall a “refugee camp”. Clown.
Do you see the distinction between the US fighting a war on the other side of the world and Israel fighting against terrorists within home made rocket range?
The US had the option to pull out. Israel does not have the same options. Their survival is on the line.
People egging on the Palestinians to do more violence are just getting Palestinians killed. These backwards medieval notions that it’s like the crusades and Israel will just go away is just getting people killed and accomplishing nothing else. It’s this “River to the Sea” bullshit that’s causing women and children to get killed in the crossfire between psychopaths and a modern military. As it goes on Palestinians get less and less. But the asshole oil-rich Arabs that fund them and the psychos in Iran that arm them don’t give a shit. Palestinians are just being used as cannon fodder to make wealthy Arabs not feel completely humiliated over all the wars they lost against Israel.