It seems there are a lot of bad stories about the Chinese economy lately. At first they claimed they could isolate the real estate crisis, and shield the rest of the economy, but there are so many stories, also the car industry is in a real bad downturn. Cars and real estate combined is a very strong indicator that consumer confidence right now is about at zero, and they are in a recession.
Evergrande is a staggeringly large company and basically China’s entire real estate market was driven by rabid speculation and borrowing. The government’s attempts to keep the bubble from popping by enforced price controls was an absolutely awful response. Market corrections are always painful but it’s always less disruptive to force prices to remain artificially low (you can do that through subsidization)… when you price fix a product to keep it from dropping sellers will try to offload it asap and everyone just tries to avoid being caught holding the bag whenever you release your mandate.
enforced price controls was an absolutely awful response.
I had no idea they did that. There were warnings for a long time, but I had doubts, because China had freaking 40 years of strong growth. So I guess I kind of believed the Chinese government could perform economic miracles.
There are rumors that this economic crisis has created demands in China to democratize the economy, so I hope it may help create some political progress in China. Xi seriously needs to go, he is a very dangerous person, not unlike Putin IMO.
The Chinese economy has been growing so well so consistently for so long the Chinese have a lot of faith in it and recessions haven’t happened.
But if that confidence changes bad things could happen. Because of this isolation bubble China is in, its hard to know what’s going on over there. Is there any way to find out how the man in the street on China feels about things? Because if they feel bad, it will be bad. Or is it just looking at the figures?
It seems there are a lot of bad stories about the Chinese economy lately. At first they claimed they could isolate the real estate crisis, and shield the rest of the economy, but there are so many stories, also the car industry is in a real bad downturn. Cars and real estate combined is a very strong indicator that consumer confidence right now is about at zero, and they are in a recession.
Evergrande is a staggeringly large company and basically China’s entire real estate market was driven by rabid speculation and borrowing. The government’s attempts to keep the bubble from popping by enforced price controls was an absolutely awful response. Market corrections are always painful but it’s always less disruptive to force prices to remain artificially low (you can do that through subsidization)… when you price fix a product to keep it from dropping sellers will try to offload it asap and everyone just tries to avoid being caught holding the bag whenever you release your mandate.
I had no idea they did that. There were warnings for a long time, but I had doubts, because China had freaking 40 years of strong growth. So I guess I kind of believed the Chinese government could perform economic miracles.
There are rumors that this economic crisis has created demands in China to democratize the economy, so I hope it may help create some political progress in China. Xi seriously needs to go, he is a very dangerous person, not unlike Putin IMO.
A lot of the economy is based on “feels”.
The Chinese economy has been growing so well so consistently for so long the Chinese have a lot of faith in it and recessions haven’t happened.
But if that confidence changes bad things could happen. Because of this isolation bubble China is in, its hard to know what’s going on over there. Is there any way to find out how the man in the street on China feels about things? Because if they feel bad, it will be bad. Or is it just looking at the figures?
I think this channel is probably biased, but it’s the best I know of:
https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaObserver0
According to them, it’s very bad.
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