As if the fact that it happens to men means it doesn’t matter if it happens to women. “You, too” is now a valid form of argument.
🤦 You all are a bunch of kindergartners, I swear.
I’ve gone longer than 3 days without water and I look nothing like those guys. Wtf?
how the hell do you go more than 3 days without water? these dudes have staff to make sure they don’t fucking die
Have you tried hiring a personal trainer and using ‘supplements’?
You have to cut out the Mountain Dew as well
There’s a big difference in body image set by men for women and body image set for men by men
Every study shows that the vast majority of men are perfectly fine with a very wide range of women’s bodies.
Hollywood’s standards for women are just a normal woman’s body. Hollywood’s standard for men is the body of a greek god.
I agree with your second statement. Though your first statement is borderline moronic.
Nothing “borderline” about it. That statement is 100% moronic.
I’m struggling to think of any famous women who look like they weigh 170 lbs. It’s either Margot Robbie or Lizzo, there’s not a lot in between
I’m convinced the current influencer body standard for women (huge asses, giant lips, etc) was some joke by plastic surgeons and they just rolled with it
Apparently anyone can become a plastic surgeon because I’d never get any sleep if I made people look like that.
give me a syringe and a bike pump
This is not a zero sum game. there’s no competition. We can deal with both problems, we don’t have to pick a side.
Well yes, and the starting point is by dismissing the myth that the double standards are not applied to everyone. They are applied differently, but it is not something that only affects one group of people.
Is that really a myth? Because it feels like the only time this point is brought up is to “dispel the myth”, not the myth itself which I frankly can’t recall having ever heard.
My theory is that it’s actually a mix of angry dudes feeling excluded because they weren’t explicitly included by women talking about their own struggles, and of the fact that men just generally don’t talk about their struggles. So the coverage feels disproportional and the only time the subject gets brought up it’s because some angry misogynist managed to weave it into an “us vs them” discourse.
Men’s mental health is a huge conversation to have but it’s extremely disheartening that in the mainstream conversation it always pops up through misogyny.
So in the spirit of actually doing something about men’s mental health, here’s some actual discourse on the subjectLemmy needs an r/menslib equivalent
Sorry to link to that place but here: Hugh Jackman on mens’ magazines vs womens’.
Me, spending 6 months fighting with (and losing to) body dysmorphia but not knowing what it was, since I’m a man and no one told me:
No, it’s just that in combination with all of the rest of the ways that society devalues and polices women - one set of unrealistic standards is applied to all women, with even exceptionally conventionally attractive women being devalued and dehumanized for how men perceive them.
I’m a trans woman. I’ve lived through body standards for men and for women. The expectations applied to my body and appearance now are, many, many orders of magnitude worse than they were before I transitioned. Like it’s fucking everywhere. It’s inescapable. Everywhere you look society and particularly heterosexual men are coming up with fantastical new ways to police how we look. It was genuinely shocking when I first came out because when it doesn’t affect you, you become kinda oblivious to it. I knew that it existed, but experiencing it myself totally opened my eyes to how pervasive it is.
Gender expectations with body, appearance, and role are bad for both men and women. Unequivocally, yes, they are both bad, and neither should exist in any measure. But how those roles affect women is fundamentally different from how they affect men. How these expectations are applied, how our own bodies are weaponized against us in both directions, how socially our bodies and images affect our lives - those things are all completely incomparable.
It is important to talk about how men are affected by roles and expectations as well. I only say this at all because this comes up a lot in discussions of body image issues, and my experience with these things is unique. In my experience, most women are aware of how society devalues the bodies of some men and how it polices attributes of men’s bodies in general. It’s not women who are by and large erasing discourse about body shaming and how it affects men. it’s largely coming from patriarchal men, who hold that men who don’t fit the standard are inferior by strength of will or by genetics. A lack of masculinity. The majority of shaming comes from them. Not that none of it comes from women, just that those lines begin with patriarchal men and women weaponize those same things in response. We’re not meant to be enemies here. It would be nice if the same men who complain that body image issues aren’t being addressed for men would stop blaming women for it and also stop enforcing body image onto women themselves.
Really should be a legal requirement for a normal BMI to appear in media, then they wouldn’t be able load up on steroids
But that would also eliminate all obese people from the media. Which is like 30%+ of the population.
And the massively underweight that women are supposed to aspire to
Whichever way you skew it, unrealistic bodies shouldn’t be there
Sure well defined muscles are aesthetically pleasing, but not nessa to be considered hot by most of the people you’ll date
Very true, in my experience lots of women like the idea of strength from big muscles but don’t really care to see the striated muscle fibers in a cut look. Hell some are turned off by the vasculature of my hands.
EDIT: Guys in comic books are ripped for the dudes reading them. I imagine the same is true for movie stars.
Robert Pattinson’s physique as Batman was criticised by the mainstream (mostly by incels) as not being ripped and is skinny, even though experts say his body in “The Batman” is the most realistic built most men would be able to achieve.
You don’t have to live up to Hollywood standards, you just have to stop holding everyone else up to Hollywood standards. Just look at day time talk shows, those people have no problem finding a partner, and the only reason they end up on those shows is because they have no sense of shame.
The main difference is, unless you’re tragically born with shitty genes, guys can attain those bodies on the left with diet and exercise. Women on the other hand usually have to go to a different country to get discount surgery to look like a video game character so that chuds will pay attention to them.
