Maybe it’s simply because he’s not the sitting president and his detail is much smaller? I’m not at all familiar with the way FPOTUS security is run but I do believe I remember they don’t get anywhere near the resources POTUS gets. They’re also not often running for reelection so this seems like an increased risk, reduced resources situation.
Maybe it’s simply because he’s not the sitting president and his detail is much smaller?
USSS details are heavily supplemented by locals for events like this. Even if the USSS team was relatively small, somebody – whether it was USSS, local, or state police – should have had a location that blindingly obvious secured. That building was literally the only real elevated position with clear line of sight in the vicinity of the stage. The fact that somebody could get up there without immediate security response is really almost unfathomable if it weren’t for the fact that it happened.
During Obama’s first campaign Bill Clinton came and spoke at a local college (maybe for Hillary? I’m not sure tbh, I was like 12), and I climbed up a statue plinth outside the speech zone to better see. Some guy in a black suit came and told me to get down immediately
Clinton spoke at my college commencement. He was still in office, I suppose. There were snipers on about every building in the city. 1000s of feet away. 100s of ft? A team of at least 2.
Even still, the dude was on a roof only 400 yards away with minimal tree obstruction. How no one saw the dude climbing up there with a damn rifle and then set up in a prone position is beyond me. They’re claiming some people made comments that some weirdo was wandering around, but it’s baffling how counter snipers weren’t scanning everything and anything that allowed him to get as far as popping off as many rounds as he did.
Jesus, that’s unreal. That’s a pot shot even with a 22.
And yeah, I’ve been hearing that those investigating are having a heck of a time coming up with anything on this guy, apparently he was a real loner type.
All the more reason we really need more kindness in this world.
I remember the last attempted assassination - that of Reagan by John Hinkley back in the 80’s. In my opinion those Secret Service agents reacted much quicker & better than Trumps detail did.
I was shocked that their initial reaction seemed to be to just stand there like human shields, letting him try to mug around them. They should have physically held him down and immediately start pushing him off the stage. Trump was largely a motionless target for a prolonged period of time, which the Secret Service should have not allowed.
Wasn’t there a story that Trump had corrupted the Secret Service to the point that Pence did not believe they were there to protect him? Perhaps this is what you get if you prefer loyalty over competence.
I think so too. Actual POTUS security is insane. They can’t do that for all former presidents. People may see “secret service” and think it’s all the same, but it’s not. Still pretty bad though for SS though, they could have done a better job.
Doesn’t matter if its the sitting president or former you clear the roof secure the entrances then have people check it periodically even if it’s visual from a distance.
Normal practice is as follows for dignitaries let alone former presidents.
Secret Service man’s the venue itself. Local police man’s the perimeter. Every roof is not only secured but actually occupied. There’s an officer on every roof that is a concern.
Again, every roof physically has an officer on it. That’s how it’s handled for ambassadors, senators, and obviously leaders of a country.
Maybe it’s simply because he’s not the sitting president and his detail is much smaller? I’m not at all familiar with the way FPOTUS security is run but I do believe I remember they don’t get anywhere near the resources POTUS gets. They’re also not often running for reelection so this seems like an increased risk, reduced resources situation.
USSS details are heavily supplemented by locals for events like this. Even if the USSS team was relatively small, somebody – whether it was USSS, local, or state police – should have had a location that blindingly obvious secured. That building was literally the only real elevated position with clear line of sight in the vicinity of the stage. The fact that somebody could get up there without immediate security response is really almost unfathomable if it weren’t for the fact that it happened.
During Obama’s first campaign Bill Clinton came and spoke at a local college (maybe for Hillary? I’m not sure tbh, I was like 12), and I climbed up a statue plinth outside the speech zone to better see. Some guy in a black suit came and told me to get down immediately
Clinton spoke at my college commencement. He was still in office, I suppose. There were snipers on about every building in the city. 1000s of feet away. 100s of ft? A team of at least 2.
Fuck that makes me feel old.
Even still, the dude was on a roof only 400 yards away with minimal tree obstruction. How no one saw the dude climbing up there with a damn rifle and then set up in a prone position is beyond me. They’re claiming some people made comments that some weirdo was wandering around, but it’s baffling how counter snipers weren’t scanning everything and anything that allowed him to get as far as popping off as many rounds as he did.
Brace yourself…450 feet, not yards. It’s a reasonable distance for anyone with a good rifle, scope and experience.
Apparently the shooter was rejected from his school rifle club and asked not to come back.
His mistake was going for a headshot
Jesus, that’s unreal. That’s a pot shot even with a 22.
And yeah, I’ve been hearing that those investigating are having a heck of a time coming up with anything on this guy, apparently he was a real loner type.
All the more reason we really need more kindness in this world.
Yeah, somebody should have taught him how to shoot better and got him a better gun.
It is a bit surprising that there is no manifesto or any other indication of his motives.
wtf is wrong with this country
Not having the club. The gun fetishization is a different problem entirely than teaching kids to use a tool safely and effectively.
I remember the last attempted assassination - that of Reagan by John Hinkley back in the 80’s. In my opinion those Secret Service agents reacted much quicker & better than Trumps detail did.
I was shocked that their initial reaction seemed to be to just stand there like human shields, letting him try to mug around them. They should have physically held him down and immediately start pushing him off the stage. Trump was largely a motionless target for a prolonged period of time, which the Secret Service should have not allowed.
I don’t have the sources, but if I remember right, almost all recent presidents have had assassination attempts.
This is the only one that’s gotten as close as Reagan’s
Wasn’t there a story that Trump had corrupted the Secret Service to the point that Pence did not believe they were there to protect him? Perhaps this is what you get if you prefer loyalty over competence.
Tbh it says if you’re going to assassinate Trump, use a Barret and aim for the cuddle puddle if you miss the first shot.
I think so too. Actual POTUS security is insane. They can’t do that for all former presidents. People may see “secret service” and think it’s all the same, but it’s not. Still pretty bad though for SS though, they could have done a better job.
It’s not just former POTUS though, it’s presidential candidate also. It honestly looks like a gargantuan fuck up.
He is the presumptive candidate rather than the actual candidate. Of course that shouldn’t make a difference, but it could be a bureaucratic thing.
Still not nearly as much as actual POTUS which is insane.
Doesn’t matter if its the sitting president or former you clear the roof secure the entrances then have people check it periodically even if it’s visual from a distance.
Or have one dude with an Amazon tier drone.
Normal practice is as follows for dignitaries let alone former presidents.
Secret Service man’s the venue itself. Local police man’s the perimeter. Every roof is not only secured but actually occupied. There’s an officer on every roof that is a concern.
Again, every roof physically has an officer on it. That’s how it’s handled for ambassadors, senators, and obviously leaders of a country.