Sure, if you also agree that this type of divisive stuff is just driving already troubled people into the incel corner as well.
I could tell you a lot of anecdotes about women and what they do, too. But imagine how I’d get labeled and shunned if I were to apply the behavior of those onto all women, based on their sex or gender. It’s hypocritical and overall just not helpful. Those type of “memes” are ultimately just going to be also responsible for those perceived feelings of a lack of safety around men, and men seeing women as toxic and hateful.
100% agree that the question’s framing is divisive and inflammatory. I also hate the “All Men” garbage, I find the phrase “Enough Men” to be a lot better for getting the point across.
A lot of discourse nowadays seems to ignore that men are people too, and that they have emotions, often emotions that society pressures them not to have. It’s got to be hard repeatedly being told you’re a monster just because of the way you’re born.
There’s this expectation that men should be capable of looking after themselves, but at the same time should just take abuse and deal with it “like a man”.
I think you should be able to criticise women’s behaviour, enough women are shitty in a uniquely woman way that it needs to be open to criticism. I see your point that you’re likely to get shunned or downvoted to oblivion though, assuming you’re not just straight up banned. It’s upsetting that the world is as messed up and awkward as it is
I’ll get downvoted by incels and femcels alike, because I refuse to take either one of their extremistic positions and views. Same happens when the topic is about political extremism and Tankies & Nazis suddenly unite in hating me for not joining one of their sides either. Honestly though, the downvotes and upvotes are all over the place in this thread and whoever posted the rage bait originally definitely succeeded in riling people up.
Sure, if you also agree that this type of divisive stuff is just driving already troubled people into the incel corner as well. I could tell you a lot of anecdotes about women and what they do, too. But imagine how I’d get labeled and shunned if I were to apply the behavior of those onto all women, based on their sex or gender. It’s hypocritical and overall just not helpful. Those type of “memes” are ultimately just going to be also responsible for those perceived feelings of a lack of safety around men, and men seeing women as toxic and hateful.
100% agree that the question’s framing is divisive and inflammatory. I also hate the “All Men” garbage, I find the phrase “Enough Men” to be a lot better for getting the point across.
A lot of discourse nowadays seems to ignore that men are people too, and that they have emotions, often emotions that society pressures them not to have. It’s got to be hard repeatedly being told you’re a monster just because of the way you’re born.
There’s this expectation that men should be capable of looking after themselves, but at the same time should just take abuse and deal with it “like a man”.
I think you should be able to criticise women’s behaviour, enough women are shitty in a uniquely woman way that it needs to be open to criticism. I see your point that you’re likely to get shunned or downvoted to oblivion though, assuming you’re not just straight up banned. It’s upsetting that the world is as messed up and awkward as it is
I’ll get downvoted by incels and femcels alike, because I refuse to take either one of their extremistic positions and views. Same happens when the topic is about political extremism and Tankies & Nazis suddenly unite in hating me for not joining one of their sides either. Honestly though, the downvotes and upvotes are all over the place in this thread and whoever posted the rage bait originally definitely succeeded in riling people up.
Same here mate. I wish we could actually have decent calm discussions about these things. The world would be a utopia overnight.
Thank you for the calm discussion, it’s been far more interesting than the other rage threads