It is literally the rage they express when rejected that is WHY we would be more scared to run in to one in the woods than we would a bear.
The fact that they’re getting “insulted” at all, derailing the entire conversation and making it about them and how they are really the victims, is more proof that they don’t give a shit about the actual experiences of violence and abuse that we are subjected to by them, only about their own egos.
Literally all they have to do is fucking listen, they are not the ones being harmed in any way shape or form (the reputation of men is already in the shit and it won’t improve unless they work to improve it amongst themselves, but if anything, their reactions are only making it worse), and them being able to frame and prioritise themselves as the ones being being harmed (by ignoring or minimising the legitimate fears and traumatic experiences of millions of women) is just another of many demonstrations of just how privileged they are.
You can’t make a statement about a group of people then act surprised when they think it’s about them and want to respond to it.
I feel that women are too emotional to work in businesses because of stories I heard and having emotional women in my life… You’re happy to say that’s a valid sharing of lived experience and any woman that’d disagree is only proving the point?
Of course I don’t belive that, what I do believe is that we’re all people with complex situations who all play into socially constructed roles where we both police and challenge cultural ideals.
Of course women often play onto toxic masculine behavior and reinforce cultural divisions, of course women often cause trauma which causes emotional destabilizing, of course women shape society for better and worse. Women are people in society, pretending they aren’t doesn’t make sense especially from a feminist perspective.
I’m sorry you’re being downvoted. Anyone who disagrees with your comment either didn’t read it or refused to understand it. I guess, for the purposes of this thread, Lemmy being predominantly male is outweighing it being predominantly leftist.
This is spot on. The men arguing against this know deep down they are the type women are afraid of. And instead of dealing with that and trying to change themselves, they react badly and cement it instead.
You’re making alot of assumptions about the people disagreeing. My co-parent has been talking about this bear tiktok since it first showed up, how disappointed she has been with friends saying they would pick a bear, how harmful the discussion revolving around it is to young men, how 4th wave feminism leans more to reactionary politics instead of building towards material change. She is a socialist political organizer and every single woman in her party is pretty demoralized by this whole thing as it says alot about the publics political consciousness. If ~~half the population ~~ more than half the population judging by the men in this thread agreeing to pick the bear, see strangers as a dangerous other where does that leave us to join together to make meaningful change in society?
Yeah i asked my very feminist gf and she laughed assuming it was a Jordan Peterson gotcha, like ‘yeah obviously no one picks the bear but that doesn’t remove centuries of systemic gender inequality…’ then ten minutes later she was saying ‘oh God, what is wrong with people? Why are they like this?!’
Then I got a very enjoyable hour long rant about performative feminism as a way of avoiding engaging with real issues that require personal effort and self-reflection. That liberal feminism has become a way of reverting to the status quo, and that thought terminating cliches are so popular because people don’t want a better world if it comes with responsibilities, and, well then we did get sidetracked laughing at guys who went wild and made it clear that you really don’t want to be stuck in a forest with them if not just because of the whining.
Also we went down a rabbit hole of psycho women that you’re probably better off picking the bear than - describing their six different guns and shoot first policy, or one saying she doesn’t slow down if she sees people crossing the road, even on a crossing, because it could be a trap. People are all sorta of crazy.
Honestly this is one of those times I’d love to live in a multiverse so I can go see how slight variations in this question change responses, like if it’d been human or bear, black man or bear, etc… I think the performative answers and responses would be very different.
also I want to know mountain lion or bear, people seriously underestimate mountain lions, also bear or adverse weather conditions, bear or having to drunk contaminated water because you didn’t bring enough, bear or not having navigation tools and knowledge how to use them… these are the real killers. Would you rather have a twisted ankle in the woods with a bear or with a man? There are so many fascinating ways to view and change the question, it could become the internets next trolly problem.
It is literally the rage they express when rejected that is WHY we would be more scared to run in to one in the woods than we would a bear.
The fact that they’re getting “insulted” at all, derailing the entire conversation and making it about them and how they are really the victims, is more proof that they don’t give a shit about the actual experiences of violence and abuse that we are subjected to by them, only about their own egos.
Literally all they have to do is fucking listen, they are not the ones being harmed in any way shape or form (the reputation of men is already in the shit and it won’t improve unless they work to improve it amongst themselves, but if anything, their reactions are only making it worse), and them being able to frame and prioritise themselves as the ones being being harmed (by ignoring or minimising the legitimate fears and traumatic experiences of millions of women) is just another of many demonstrations of just how privileged they are.
You’re wrong.
You need to calm down
There’s the stereotypical dismissal
I’d rather be stuck with a bear than with a woman that thinks like you.
This is just as stupid as the woman picking the bear.
I’d rather be alone than with a misandrist, but I’d rather be with a misandrist than a bear.
I don’t think you’ll have to worry about being stuck with a woman.
You need to take a breath ma’am.
this man just did casual misogyny and I would bet money that he is also the type of man who would moan about “misandry”
I’m not the one hyperventilating all over the thread.
Is calling someone ma’am misogynistic now?
Replying to counter the chuds and say you’re absolutely right, but that I don’t know a way to get this through other men’s thick skulls.
You can’t make a statement about a group of people then act surprised when they think it’s about them and want to respond to it.
I feel that women are too emotional to work in businesses because of stories I heard and having emotional women in my life… You’re happy to say that’s a valid sharing of lived experience and any woman that’d disagree is only proving the point?
Of course I don’t belive that, what I do believe is that we’re all people with complex situations who all play into socially constructed roles where we both police and challenge cultural ideals.
Of course women often play onto toxic masculine behavior and reinforce cultural divisions, of course women often cause trauma which causes emotional destabilizing, of course women shape society for better and worse. Women are people in society, pretending they aren’t doesn’t make sense especially from a feminist perspective.
I’m sorry you’re being downvoted. Anyone who disagrees with your comment either didn’t read it or refused to understand it. I guess, for the purposes of this thread, Lemmy being predominantly male is outweighing it being predominantly leftist.
I read it all and understood it, I just disagree.
This is spot on. The men arguing against this know deep down they are the type women are afraid of. And instead of dealing with that and trying to change themselves, they react badly and cement it instead.
You’re making alot of assumptions about the people disagreeing. My co-parent has been talking about this bear tiktok since it first showed up, how disappointed she has been with friends saying they would pick a bear, how harmful the discussion revolving around it is to young men, how 4th wave feminism leans more to reactionary politics instead of building towards material change. She is a socialist political organizer and every single woman in her party is pretty demoralized by this whole thing as it says alot about the publics political consciousness. If ~~half the population ~~ more than half the population judging by the men in this thread agreeing to pick the bear, see strangers as a dangerous other where does that leave us to join together to make meaningful change in society?
Yeah i asked my very feminist gf and she laughed assuming it was a Jordan Peterson gotcha, like ‘yeah obviously no one picks the bear but that doesn’t remove centuries of systemic gender inequality…’ then ten minutes later she was saying ‘oh God, what is wrong with people? Why are they like this?!’
Then I got a very enjoyable hour long rant about performative feminism as a way of avoiding engaging with real issues that require personal effort and self-reflection. That liberal feminism has become a way of reverting to the status quo, and that thought terminating cliches are so popular because people don’t want a better world if it comes with responsibilities, and, well then we did get sidetracked laughing at guys who went wild and made it clear that you really don’t want to be stuck in a forest with them if not just because of the whining.
Also we went down a rabbit hole of psycho women that you’re probably better off picking the bear than - describing their six different guns and shoot first policy, or one saying she doesn’t slow down if she sees people crossing the road, even on a crossing, because it could be a trap. People are all sorta of crazy.
Honestly this is one of those times I’d love to live in a multiverse so I can go see how slight variations in this question change responses, like if it’d been human or bear, black man or bear, etc… I think the performative answers and responses would be very different.
also I want to know mountain lion or bear, people seriously underestimate mountain lions, also bear or adverse weather conditions, bear or having to drunk contaminated water because you didn’t bring enough, bear or not having navigation tools and knowledge how to use them… these are the real killers. Would you rather have a twisted ankle in the woods with a bear or with a man? There are so many fascinating ways to view and change the question, it could become the internets next trolly problem.