The thing is, they’re not. Even those self proclaimed bear experts who say this eventually get mauled to death by them. Bears are wild animals, they’re inherently a dangerous predator. A random guy could be a predator, but even then he’d be less dangerous than a bear. The chance that he IS a predator however, are much lower. People who chose the bear are simply delusional and just help rage baiters with the social divide.
I know I’m a good person. Meanwhile you on your high horse are here directly insulting and gaslighting me. Really proves a point of who’s the predator & abuser.
The question of the bait however isn’t worded in a way that takes your local fauna into consideration. It’s just you, in a forest, with either a random man or a wild bear.
Now consider that any woman you tell that to is still likely to pick the bear than the strange man who spouts statistics about bear attacks in order to be picked to spend time alone with her in the woods.
This discussion isn’t about statistics. The fact that a woman can tell you directly what she wants, and you can tell her she’s wrong because of xyz, is why it will always and forever be the bear.
I love how you went from “all men are rapists” to “you specifically are a rapist because you don’t like to be called a rapist”. It’s literally an ad hominem because you cannot actually provide a rational answer, since it isn’t a rational point of view to be had.
I’m not stopping you from cuddling with wild bears, but I highly doubt you’d be willing to put your money where your mouth is, which clearly shows your hypocritical sexist agenda. Otherwise, please give us a rough estimate of the amount of your average personal interactions with men throughout your life and use that number for the amount of wild bears you have to get up close and personal to, to prove that you aren’t just spreading a femcel point of view that’s just spreading further social division.
And if you really want to know me, I don’t even want to have anything to do with anyone, regardless of gender. Humans all fucking suck, because there’s so many people like you who are just shit stains to this world and make it this terrible hell hole that it is. I would want you all to be good and actually decent human beings, but you’ll also tell me that I’m wrong because of xyz. Because no one fucking likes being irrationally judged for things they haven’t done or would never ever do. And until this fact gets through to you, you will actively work on making this world worse.
Now consider that any Evangelical Christian you tell that to is still likely to pick the bear than the strange Muslim who spouts statistics about bear attacks in order to be picked to spend time alone with her in the airport.
This discussion isn’t about statistics. The fact that an Evangelical Christian can tell you directly what she wants, and you can tell her she’s wrong because of xyz, is why it will always and forever be the bear.
The point is that women can also be bigots - including sexists. It’s benevolent misogyny to presume that they’re too weak and naive to do so
Not comparable statistic because population differences and the general circumstances. People get bitten by snakes not because snakes hunt people, but because people tend to stumble upon snakes without noticing them. A hungry bear is able to sniff, track and actively hunt you. You cannot even outrun them. You cannot climb up a tree to protect yourself from them either.
Pythons do attack children, although a grown woman is probably safe. Many small venomous snakes are attracted to the warmth of sleeping humans, and don’t take too kindly to the human rolling over / swatting at them in their sleep.
A hungry bear is able to sniff, track and actively hunt you.
The vast majority of bear attacks occur when the human either accidentally ambushes the bear, or goes near a bear cub. Afaik only male polar bears hunt humans, and they do it extremely rarely, only as a last resort.
1.2 deaths by black bears a year in the US. 400,000 black bears. So 3.0x10^-6 chance of being murdered by a bear adjusted per capita.
26,000 homicides a year (2021, I think it’s slightly lower now but these were the first I saw whatever) for 330M puts you at 7.9x10^-5 chance of being murdered by a human adjusted per capita.
Sorry, bears win. Plus seeing a bear is cool as hell and seeing another human while hiking is annoying at best.
But I don’t have to. It’s about perception. Fear is not based in reality. It doesn’t matter what is actually true but what is perceived to be true. People see people being murdered 30x more often by people than by bears per capita. Ignoring per capita, and it’s 23,000x more than bears. It makes plenty of sense to fear humans more than bears based on that alone. Fear is not going to go “oh but actually statistically speaking in order to be afraid I really should do a scientific study to see who in a “alone in the woods at night” scenario is more likely to kill me before I am afraid!” It’s gonna go with the fact that you see and experience humans killing other humans a LOT more than you experience bears killing humans. Also, I’ve conveniently ignored plenty of stats other than literal homicide you have to worry about from men.
Also, again, none of this matters what does is that bears are objectively cooler than humans, the end.
A lot of homicides happen within an inner circle of family & friends. You’re not that close around bears to the point where they are a threat to you.
Also, the US is a terrible example for homicide statistics since it is already such an outlier. But I’m sure you know all those facts already and just try to push an agenda here.
Nah man if I wanted to push an agenda I would’ve adjusted the homicide rates to men instead of just humans. Lol. My only agenda is that bears are objectively cooler than humans and you should probably get over it.
I’m just telling you bears are fucking cool and you’re not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously it’s hilarious. Chill out. Maybe don’t be offended by people not being afraid of bears because it’s pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also they’re cute, also seeing wild animals is part of hiking and very exciting. You don’t need to be the center of every humans attention at all times. You’ll be okay.
I’m just telling you men are fucking cool and you’re not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously it’s hilarious. Chill out. Maybe don’t be offended by people not being afraid of men because it’s pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also they’re cute, also seeing other humans is part of life and very exciting. You don’t need to be the afraid of every man at all times. You’ll be okay.
Alright. You don’t know anyone harmed by a bear. Fair enough. Then put your money where your mouth is. Give us an estimate of how many personal interactions with men said person who got harmed had in her life, then go out and have the same amount of up close and personal contact with wild bears. I’m sure they don’t care about the testers gender so your friend won’t have to be put in harms way and surely won’t miss you as a potential rapist anyway. Once you reach that same number we can compare the good, the bad, the ugly. That way we truly know who’s the more dangerous predator.
I’m genuinely curious on what the math works out to, but I think you’d need to account for time spent around each, or a “per encounter” statistic or something.
Otherwise there could be a scenario where the bear encounter is 100% deadly for example, but if most bears are never encountered it’d make them seem safer.
Of course, this scenario is specifically an encounter in the woods, so it’d need to be something like: total encounters between women and bears in the woods vs total encounters with women and men in the woods, and then factor in non-deadly encounters, other forms of assault, etc. That probably has next to no useful data though so good luck…
I mean, yeah I A: have no real fucks to give about this argument. B: Bears are cooler than humans men can get over it. C: used the stats I could get from a quick google, not gonna do an entire scientific study just to tell men to get fucked, as funny as it would be.
This was never meant to be taken that literally. All it ever was supposed to be was a metaphor for violence perpetuated against women by showcasing how those numbers far exceed the numbers for injuries inflicted by a known danger to humans. Anyone seriously discussing the real-world dangers of bear encounters vs men has already entirely lost the plot from the very start.
The ones who entirely lost the plot are those who are supporting this completely moronic claim, as they’re an accomplice to how our societies become more and more divided, which is exactly the whole point of this rage bait & spread through meme formats like this.
which is exactly the whole point of this rage bait & spread through meme formats like this
Do you truly believe this meme was intentionally crafted and released as part of some coordinated effort with specific intent of stewing division between the sexes?
This one specifically? No idea. But I’ve seen several variations of this by now, including fresh accounts on that other site that post some absolutely ridiculous Tinder convos, and then begging for the bear in the title. This whole thing is spreading so much that I highly doubt it is entirely organic. And if it is organic, then honestly, that’d probably be even worse because of how much it would say about us as a society who believes in so much bullshit. Given that we literally know that foreign operations target specifically shit like this in social media we should already be extra aware, but even without that, we should simply start to be more decent. Something you fail to do if you spread & support those type of disinformation and toxic stereotypes & downright accusations.
No one can prove who created this meme - at least as far as I’m aware.
However, after it was created, it certainly has been boosted and magnified by right wing organizations and intelligence operations to cause the working class to turn on itself and dehumanize one another. Which is always what fascism does to distract from oligarchic wealth and societal decay.
This meme is evil. It isn’t funny or cute. It’s intentionally cancerous and we need to stop spreading such hate.
Because it isn’t white men in wealthy suburban communities who will suffer from this. Rather, it will be the black, brown, and migrant men who are already dehumanized and seen as superpredators.
After all, why was it so wrong for the police to murder George Floyd - he was more dangerous than a bear and (white) women were afraid of him. Given that, it seems that those hero cops acted in accordance with our society’s values, doesn’t it? Or, if we reject that notion, then we must also reject “memes” like this that further the dehumanization that leads to his murder
My friend, I genuinely think you are expressing paranoid and delusion behavior. I’m not trying to be funny, I’m not trying to win any arguments, I genuinely believe that is an unhealthy amount of very specific narrative subtext to read into this. Trying to equate this mild trend making almost milquetoast commentary on real violence trends against women with the state-sanction murder by police of George Floyd is borderline unhinged thinking.
The superstructure of society encourages dehumanization of black and brown and “foreign” men because they are seen as dangerous violent animals. This is a centuries old rhetorical ploy by the ruling class to subordinate the masses through fear. This meme contributes to and furthers such ideology
Did a single individual anti Semitic poster in 1934 Germany cause Dachau? Of course not. But that single individual poster was one of millions of contributing factors that caused the conditions that allowed for the Holocaust
We should recognize and denounce such hatred when we see it
We aren’t talking about the othering of a type of human here, we are talking about MEN. 50% of the human population. To imply that this remotely resembles the way in which Whiteness has repeated overtly othered minority segments is beyond just disingenuous, it is knowingly manipulative and nefarious.
How dangerous a bear is is pretty much irrelevant to the whole discourse but I want to talk about bears.
Black bears are absolute cowards and aren’t that dangerous unless you are an idiot
Brown bears will fuck you up if you threaten it or if it has cubs but will in most cases not attack.
Polar bears will kill you because they are bored.
My country has the highest amount of bear per person but we only have brown bears and most people have encountered a bear in the forest, it’s not as scary as the idea of getting roofied and rapes. Also getting attacked by a bear is more unlikely even here than getting roofied and raped. You don’t have to worried about a bear attack while you do need to guard your drink.
The thing is, they’re not. Even those self proclaimed bear experts who say this eventually get mauled to death by them. Bears are wild animals, they’re inherently a dangerous predator. A random guy could be a predator, but even then he’d be less dangerous than a bear. The chance that he IS a predator however, are much lower. People who chose the bear are simply delusional and just help rage baiters with the social divide.
youre the reason women pick bear, christ youre pathetic
I know I’m a good person. Meanwhile you on your high horse are here directly insulting and gaslighting me. Really proves a point of who’s the predator & abuser.
I note you did not dispute my cocane claim.
There hasn’t been a wild bear sighting in my country for hundreds of years, so my fear of people is way higher than my fear of bears
The question of the bait however isn’t worded in a way that takes your local fauna into consideration. It’s just you, in a forest, with either a random man or a wild bear.
Like I said my frlear levels of people I don’t know male or female and everyone in-between is way higher than my fear levels of a bear.
Same, but I still don’t think everyone is a predator based on their gender or sex, despite a lot of anecdotal evidence gathered throughout my life.
Consider what you just said about bears.
Now consider that any woman you tell that to is still likely to pick the bear than the strange man who spouts statistics about bear attacks in order to be picked to spend time alone with her in the woods.
This discussion isn’t about statistics. The fact that a woman can tell you directly what she wants, and you can tell her she’s wrong because of xyz, is why it will always and forever be the bear.
I love how you went from “all men are rapists” to “you specifically are a rapist because you don’t like to be called a rapist”. It’s literally an ad hominem because you cannot actually provide a rational answer, since it isn’t a rational point of view to be had. I’m not stopping you from cuddling with wild bears, but I highly doubt you’d be willing to put your money where your mouth is, which clearly shows your hypocritical sexist agenda. Otherwise, please give us a rough estimate of the amount of your average personal interactions with men throughout your life and use that number for the amount of wild bears you have to get up close and personal to, to prove that you aren’t just spreading a femcel point of view that’s just spreading further social division.
And if you really want to know me, I don’t even want to have anything to do with anyone, regardless of gender. Humans all fucking suck, because there’s so many people like you who are just shit stains to this world and make it this terrible hell hole that it is. I would want you all to be good and actually decent human beings, but you’ll also tell me that I’m wrong because of xyz. Because no one fucking likes being irrationally judged for things they haven’t done or would never ever do. And until this fact gets through to you, you will actively work on making this world worse.
Or or or
Wild thought here
Maybe women who pick the bear are the problem, not the men who fail to simp for her shit misandrist takes.
If you say something stupid, and I call you out for saying something stupid, I’m not the problem. You are.
The point is that women can also be bigots - including sexists. It’s benevolent misogyny to presume that they’re too weak and naive to do so
The hypothetical bear, sure
That’s how you sound. Have you been outside?
Have you seen the size of snakes indigenous to north america? And the size of bears indigenous to NA?
If you think a snake is even remotely comparable to a freaking bear then you’re just proving my point of you people being completely delusional.
I couldn’t find exact numbers, but it seems bears kill about 40 people a year. Snakes kill 60,000.
Not comparable statistic because population differences and the general circumstances. People get bitten by snakes not because snakes hunt people, but because people tend to stumble upon snakes without noticing them. A hungry bear is able to sniff, track and actively hunt you. You cannot even outrun them. You cannot climb up a tree to protect yourself from them either.
Pythons do attack children, although a grown woman is probably safe. Many small venomous snakes are attracted to the warmth of sleeping humans, and don’t take too kindly to the human rolling over / swatting at them in their sleep.
The vast majority of bear attacks occur when the human either accidentally ambushes the bear, or goes near a bear cub. Afaik only male polar bears hunt humans, and they do it extremely rarely, only as a last resort.
1.2 deaths by black bears a year in the US. 400,000 black bears. So 3.0x10^-6 chance of being murdered by a bear adjusted per capita.
26,000 homicides a year (2021, I think it’s slightly lower now but these were the first I saw whatever) for 330M puts you at 7.9x10^-5 chance of being murdered by a human adjusted per capita.
Sorry, bears win. Plus seeing a bear is cool as hell and seeing another human while hiking is annoying at best.
You also need to adjust for amount of time spent in bear territory vs human territory, or bear encounters vs attacks to get a more accurate statistic.
But I don’t have to. It’s about perception. Fear is not based in reality. It doesn’t matter what is actually true but what is perceived to be true. People see people being murdered 30x more often by people than by bears per capita. Ignoring per capita, and it’s 23,000x more than bears. It makes plenty of sense to fear humans more than bears based on that alone. Fear is not going to go “oh but actually statistically speaking in order to be afraid I really should do a scientific study to see who in a “alone in the woods at night” scenario is more likely to kill me before I am afraid!” It’s gonna go with the fact that you see and experience humans killing other humans a LOT more than you experience bears killing humans. Also, I’ve conveniently ignored plenty of stats other than literal homicide you have to worry about from men.
Also, again, none of this matters what does is that bears are objectively cooler than humans, the end.
I mostly agree, but you’re still trying to inaccurate statistics to justify fear
Hm I wonder if any right wing political parties have ever done this to dehumanize outgroups and promote fascism? 🤔
I wonder if anyone who is Muslim, Black, or Jewish has any thoughts on this history of such dehumanization and inaccurate perceptions 🤔
A lot of homicides happen within an inner circle of family & friends. You’re not that close around bears to the point where they are a threat to you. Also, the US is a terrible example for homicide statistics since it is already such an outlier. But I’m sure you know all those facts already and just try to push an agenda here.
Nah man if I wanted to push an agenda I would’ve adjusted the homicide rates to men instead of just humans. Lol. My only agenda is that bears are objectively cooler than humans and you should probably get over it.
I’m certainly not letting extremistic femcels forbid me to speak out against sexism.
Me, a male who enjoys animals, the femcel.
I’m just telling you bears are fucking cool and you’re not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously it’s hilarious. Chill out. Maybe don’t be offended by people not being afraid of bears because it’s pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also they’re cute, also seeing wild animals is part of hiking and very exciting. You don’t need to be the center of every humans attention at all times. You’ll be okay.
I’m just telling you men are fucking cool and you’re not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously it’s hilarious. Chill out. Maybe don’t be offended by people not being afraid of men because it’s pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also they’re cute, also seeing other humans is part of life and very exciting. You don’t need to be the afraid of every man at all times. You’ll be okay.
You… really think I don’t know anyone who has been harmed by men? Like… do… you really?
Like I get the hahaha copy paste and change word but that only works if it works… and that doesn’t?
Alright. You don’t know anyone harmed by a bear. Fair enough. Then put your money where your mouth is. Give us an estimate of how many personal interactions with men said person who got harmed had in her life, then go out and have the same amount of up close and personal contact with wild bears. I’m sure they don’t care about the testers gender so your friend won’t have to be put in harms way and surely won’t miss you as a potential rapist anyway. Once you reach that same number we can compare the good, the bad, the ugly. That way we truly know who’s the more dangerous predator.
I’m genuinely curious on what the math works out to, but I think you’d need to account for time spent around each, or a “per encounter” statistic or something.
Otherwise there could be a scenario where the bear encounter is 100% deadly for example, but if most bears are never encountered it’d make them seem safer.
Of course, this scenario is specifically an encounter in the woods, so it’d need to be something like: total encounters between women and bears in the woods vs total encounters with women and men in the woods, and then factor in non-deadly encounters, other forms of assault, etc. That probably has next to no useful data though so good luck…
I mean, yeah I A: have no real fucks to give about this argument. B: Bears are cooler than humans men can get over it. C: used the stats I could get from a quick google, not gonna do an entire scientific study just to tell men to get fucked, as funny as it would be.
This was never meant to be taken that literally. All it ever was supposed to be was a metaphor for violence perpetuated against women by showcasing how those numbers far exceed the numbers for injuries inflicted by a known danger to humans. Anyone seriously discussing the real-world dangers of bear encounters vs men has already entirely lost the plot from the very start.
The ones who entirely lost the plot are those who are supporting this completely moronic claim, as they’re an accomplice to how our societies become more and more divided, which is exactly the whole point of this rage bait & spread through meme formats like this.
Remember when the IRA did literally the same fucking thing with BLM? The only reason this works is because people like you become emotionally irrational, dying on this very hill of utter stupidity, because it makes you think it gives you some sort of moral high ground.
Do you truly believe this meme was intentionally crafted and released as part of some coordinated effort with specific intent of stewing division between the sexes?
This one specifically? No idea. But I’ve seen several variations of this by now, including fresh accounts on that other site that post some absolutely ridiculous Tinder convos, and then begging for the bear in the title. This whole thing is spreading so much that I highly doubt it is entirely organic. And if it is organic, then honestly, that’d probably be even worse because of how much it would say about us as a society who believes in so much bullshit. Given that we literally know that foreign operations target specifically shit like this in social media we should already be extra aware, but even without that, we should simply start to be more decent. Something you fail to do if you spread & support those type of disinformation and toxic stereotypes & downright accusations.
No one can prove who created this meme - at least as far as I’m aware.
However, after it was created, it certainly has been boosted and magnified by right wing organizations and intelligence operations to cause the working class to turn on itself and dehumanize one another. Which is always what fascism does to distract from oligarchic wealth and societal decay.
This meme is evil. It isn’t funny or cute. It’s intentionally cancerous and we need to stop spreading such hate.
Because it isn’t white men in wealthy suburban communities who will suffer from this. Rather, it will be the black, brown, and migrant men who are already dehumanized and seen as superpredators.
After all, why was it so wrong for the police to murder George Floyd - he was more dangerous than a bear and (white) women were afraid of him. Given that, it seems that those hero cops acted in accordance with our society’s values, doesn’t it? Or, if we reject that notion, then we must also reject “memes” like this that further the dehumanization that leads to his murder
My friend, I genuinely think you are expressing paranoid and delusion behavior. I’m not trying to be funny, I’m not trying to win any arguments, I genuinely believe that is an unhealthy amount of very specific narrative subtext to read into this. Trying to equate this mild trend making almost milquetoast commentary on real violence trends against women with the state-sanction murder by police of George Floyd is borderline unhinged thinking.
The superstructure of society encourages dehumanization of black and brown and “foreign” men because they are seen as dangerous violent animals. This is a centuries old rhetorical ploy by the ruling class to subordinate the masses through fear. This meme contributes to and furthers such ideology
Did a single individual anti Semitic poster in 1934 Germany cause Dachau? Of course not. But that single individual poster was one of millions of contributing factors that caused the conditions that allowed for the Holocaust
We should recognize and denounce such hatred when we see it
We aren’t talking about the othering of a type of human here, we are talking about MEN. 50% of the human population. To imply that this remotely resembles the way in which Whiteness has repeated overtly othered minority segments is beyond just disingenuous, it is knowingly manipulative and nefarious.
How dangerous a bear is is pretty much irrelevant to the whole discourse but I want to talk about bears.
Black bears are absolute cowards and aren’t that dangerous unless you are an idiot
Brown bears will fuck you up if you threaten it or if it has cubs but will in most cases not attack.
Polar bears will kill you because they are bored.
My country has the highest amount of bear per person but we only have brown bears and most people have encountered a bear in the forest, it’s not as scary as the idea of getting roofied and rapes. Also getting attacked by a bear is more unlikely even here than getting roofied and raped. You don’t have to worried about a bear attack while you do need to guard your drink.