What you’re on about. Killing animals to eat them is wrong, plain and simple, it just happens that, understandably, it is much more convenient and people don’t want to change and are not honest about it But things are changing.
I’m in no way vegan and you won’t see me complaining to people about their eating habits, but you’re just wrong here.
Killing animals to eat them is wrong, plain and simple
See, it’s these kinds of fanatical black-and-white statements that makes it hard to sympathize with vegan ideology, even as I agree with many of its tenets. Feeling sad for animals that die to be consumed is not a strong argument for it being wrong. Humans are animals just as any other, and if it is wrong inherently to kill something to sustain oneself, then we should kill off all carnivorous and insectivorous animals, so that they cannot kill and eat their prey.
Nor is vegan eating consequence free for life. Factory farming, much like factory meat in some ways, obliterates vast amounts and variety of life that previously resided in that given field. It is also contributing to rapid worldwide top soil decline, something no one seems to give a shit about. Ecological cattle raising could be a mitigation to both issues but some people have too much soy clogging up the brain to do their own thinking.
So cattle eat things that humans cannot and convert them into things we can. They poop and urinate to fertilise the place, graze in places not suitable for crops, churn the soil as they move about and it turns out plants needs to be grazed. All this is easily searchable information. Bear in mind I am not talking about factory cattle, which is a cruel and awful practice that probably should be banned.
This article lays out the argument pretty well for example.
You casually missed the rest of my point about it being convenient and me understanding, to make it seem fanatical, and that I’m not vegan. If I were vegan and fanatic I would have said there’s no possible reasoning for eating meat.
Humans are animals just as any other, and if it is wrong inherently to kill something to sustain oneself, then we should kill off all carnivorous and insectivorous animals, so that they cannot kill and eat their prey.
These are your words not mine, I’ve never implied it not even close. This is some fine gymnastics you’re doing do make my post seem fanatical …
Humans are not animals just like any other. We have the capacity for self-reflection and change. We are also not obligate carnivores - we have the choice to eat plant-only diets without health risks unlike a lot of animals
suggesting that animals eating other animals is bad does not imply that killing all carnivores is the correct solution to that problem. there is no solution to that problem which would save the lives of every animal alive today, so any solution to this problem must include the death of some animals. “continue letting animals eat other animals until we can find a real solution that won’t destroy the biosphere or genocide billions of living creatures” is a valid solution even under the strict idea that killing animals to eat them is always wrong
What you’re on about. Killing animals to eat them is wrong, plain and simple, it just happens that, understandably, it is much more convenient and people don’t want to change and are not honest about it But things are changing.
I’m in no way vegan and you won’t see me complaining to people about their eating habits, but you’re just wrong here.
See, it’s these kinds of fanatical black-and-white statements that makes it hard to sympathize with vegan ideology, even as I agree with many of its tenets. Feeling sad for animals that die to be consumed is not a strong argument for it being wrong. Humans are animals just as any other, and if it is wrong inherently to kill something to sustain oneself, then we should kill off all carnivorous and insectivorous animals, so that they cannot kill and eat their prey.
Nor is vegan eating consequence free for life. Factory farming, much like factory meat in some ways, obliterates vast amounts and variety of life that previously resided in that given field. It is also contributing to rapid worldwide top soil decline, something no one seems to give a shit about. Ecological cattle raising could be a mitigation to both issues but some people have too much soy clogging up the brain to do their own thinking.
how could cattle raising ever be more ecologically friendly than farming? the cattle must eat, so we’ve just shifted the problem, no?
So cattle eat things that humans cannot and convert them into things we can. They poop and urinate to fertilise the place, graze in places not suitable for crops, churn the soil as they move about and it turns out plants needs to be grazed. All this is easily searchable information. Bear in mind I am not talking about factory cattle, which is a cruel and awful practice that probably should be banned.
This article lays out the argument pretty well for example.
You casually missed the rest of my point about it being convenient and me understanding, to make it seem fanatical, and that I’m not vegan. If I were vegan and fanatic I would have said there’s no possible reasoning for eating meat.
These are your words not mine, I’ve never implied it not even close. This is some fine gymnastics you’re doing do make my post seem fanatical …
ignorant vegan:
you, an intellectual:
enlightened ve-gone:
Carnivore accelerationism
This looks more like you’re just wounded ego than it is about tone policing now.
You’re actually more annoying than any vegan I’ve met. Please get off our capitalism argument. You’re making it look bad too.
Humans are not animals just like any other. We have the capacity for self-reflection and change. We are also not obligate carnivores - we have the choice to eat plant-only diets without health risks unlike a lot of animals
suggesting that animals eating other animals is bad does not imply that killing all carnivores is the correct solution to that problem. there is no solution to that problem which would save the lives of every animal alive today, so any solution to this problem must include the death of some animals. “continue letting animals eat other animals until we can find a real solution that won’t destroy the biosphere or genocide billions of living creatures” is a valid solution even under the strict idea that killing animals to eat them is always wrong