Practices recorded by UNRWA include the use of a nail gun on prisoners’ knees, sexual abuse against both men and women and the insertion of what appears to be an electrified metal stick into prisoners’ rectums.
Practices recorded by UNRWA include the use of a nail gun on prisoners’ knees, sexual abuse against both men and women and the insertion of what appears to be an electrified metal stick into prisoners’ rectums.
You’re ridiculous. Like I said, there’s no fighting such brainwashing. So I’m not debating you anymore, I’m replying because I wish to see all the pathetic excuses you come up with, so you make a fool of yourself for all the world to see, and vocally support a genocide.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144717
How many is that, huh?
No shit? Thus there is no way of trying to enforce Hamas, a terrorist organisation, to uphold it’s agreement with the UN; because it’s not a state nor a member of the UN.
Israel is.
Israel has committed to following the Geneva conventions. Something they are now purposefully breaking, by torturing and raping prisoners, attacking aid convoys, and killing over 12,300 children. ALL OF WHICH you try to excuse with “well Hamas had it coming”.
You don’t recognise that Hamas isn’t Palestine. Palestine is a nation. Hamas is not. Israel is using Hamas’ attacks as an excuse to genocide Palestine.
That’s about as proportional an ethical of a response as if hypothetically I dated your sister, then she dumped me, and for that, I torture and kill your entire family.
Okay so you admit they are genociding Palestine? You admit Israel is committing crimes against humanity? But you think that Israel itself will judge itself for these acts, and prosecute itself? Haiyaaa, like I said, no fighting brainwashing like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes
Look bud, you go to NY and spend some time at unga and then come talk about symbolic votes at the UN.
Right, no way to force Gaza. International law is based on custom and tradition and arguments that have worked in the past. Israel faces an unprecedented threat because of the tunnel system and lawfare, and both are the primary strategies by which Hamas perpetuates its criminal enterprise.
You mistake proportionality. I would say that u2ssing conventional weapons to destroy the enemy’s ability to repeat a conventional attack by destroying the mechanism of attack is always proportionate.
The tunnels are the mechanism and they are, for the most part, the target. That’s proportionate. Period. That the targets are surrounded by human shields does not go to proportionality, it goes to the rules of engagement.
No, I do not think that isolated war crimes equates to genocide. Genocide is a formal policy and an intentional enterprise. I do not think the locally directed rhetoric of extreme Israeli politicians who are about to lose office is evidence of formal policy when that rhetoric doesn’t match the facts on the ground. Myanmar was using helicopter strafing runs to gun down fleeing Rohyne women and children by the hundreds and napalming villages from which no rockets were ever launched and which had no tunnel shafts. The Nazis got too sad lining up women and babies by the thousands in a tench and then shooting them at close range so they built gas chambers, first mobile ones that could do 10 or 15 Jews at a time, then whole purpose-built facilities. And the perpetrators didn’t warn anyone.
This is more to me like how the Americans dropped leaflets before they dropped bombs when we struck Nazi positions in occupied France and elsewhere.
So no, I don’t think calling people on the telephone and asking them to leave while Israel bombs out the tunnels is either indiscriminate or genocidal.
But when Hamas goes and tells everyone those phone calls are a hoax and to go stand up on the roof, I do find that to be intentional genocide.
You’re calling UN resolutions passed with an overwhelming majority “symbolic”.
There’s no fighting your kind of brainwashing, just like I’ve said. You’ll get more and more anxious, with more and more “look, buds”, because you have to keep these delusions alive by literally dismissing everything anyone except Israel says.
More pathetic excuses about targeting Hamas, completely ignoring all the evidence a literal genocide. Just how do you live with yourself? I’m genuinely curious as to what goes on in your head when you decide to defend the slaughter of over 12,000 children.
You think asserting some of your regurgitated nonsense means anything while you call passed UN resolutions “symbolic”. Your opinion does not matter. The UN’s **does. **
I guess you might be Israeli, which would explain it a bit. I can see how it’d be really scary to stand up to the genocidal maniacs you share a country with. Much like Germans, during the Nazi regime.
You need to realise this is just downright stupid though. Do you think if I warned you that I’m gonna rape you, it’d make it alright? A war crime isn’t excused by “we dropped leaflets”.
Not to mention that the dropping of leaflets saying that they’re gonna get bombed, constitutes in itself a war crime. “In addition to its status as established customary law, the principle of civilian immunity has been codified in numerous treaties. One of the clearest expressions of the principle is set out in article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, which states: The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence, the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population, are prohibited.”
https://twitter.com/iara_modarelli/status/1714392142645174667 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/18/israel-gaza-what-international-law-says-about-the-deadly-hospital-strike
“As long as Hamas does not release the hostages in its hands - the only thing that needs to enter Gaza are hundreds of tons of explosives from the Air Force, not an ounce of humanitarian aid.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” - Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
These are objectively verified statements of Israeli officials. That is literally genocidal rhetoric, which is threatening war crimes, and then goes on to commit war crimes.
It’s literally quite incredible how delusional and brainwashed you have to be to consider what is going on in Gaza to be a justified, “proportional” response. At least WWII Germans realised to be ashamed.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protection-civilians-enduring-apocalyptic#:~:text=The ICJ found it plausible,under siege in Gaza%2C and
#The ICJ found it plausible that Israel’s acts could amount to genocide and issued six provisional measures, ordering Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocidal acts, including preventing and punishing incitement to genocide, ensuring aid and services reach Palestinians under siege in Gaza, and preserving evidence of crimes committed in Gaza.
But you’ll just repeat the same sad propaganda again, iterating how UN is not to be believed in, how they don’t matter and how anything that speaks against Israel is “Hamas” propaganda and how those 12 000 kids actually deserved to die.
That sort of behaviour is… so depressing to me. I can’t believe any human would ever think like that, yet you constantly keep pretending you do.
And by the way, it’s not just me. When one of the permanent members of the security council comes out and says they’re going to veto a controversial resolution, everyone calls the ensuing vote symbolic because everyone gets to vote without consequence.
You are literally right now holding up the vote as a symbol.
And also, it’s not just me, virtually everyone of consequence in US government. Governing is hard work. Bless your heart, I don’t think you’re equipped for it.
Anyway, what’s your brilliant proposal for lasting peace in Gaza?
You’re not someone who can be persuaded. That’s the only thing I’m trying to persuade people of. Hopefully you’d realise that too, but as mentioned previously, you’re not a person who can change their mind.
The point is to showcase just how strong Israeli propaganda is.
Currently, you’re literally chanting “UN doesn’t matter, OCHR doesn’t matter, human rights don’t matter, nothing can ever be proved and everything online is wrong, no reporters should be trusted (unless they’re pro-Israel) and in fact, facts don’t actually exist, anywhere, at all!”
What exactly would it take for you to admit that Israel is committing several war crimes, the worst of which is the genocide of Palestinians? This is rhetorical, because you’re literally unable to answer that, as there is no amount of evidence that would ever change your mind, because you don’t base your opinion on facts, you base it on what you get told.
Weird how “you can find anything on the internet”, but you can’t seem to find anyone who disagrees with the UNITED NATIONS and the Human Rights Watch. Guess “anything” doesn’t include “support for my propaganda”, huh? I mean, ofc it does, but even you realise how ridiculous those propaganda sites would be in comparison to the Human Rights Watch, United Nations, International Court of Justice and the OCHR.
For instance you trying to assert that you, a random IDF trollito on Lemmy would know better than Raz Segal, the associate professor of holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University, who says:
Perpetrators of genocide rarely express their intentions in direct and explicit ways, so courts are left to infer such intent through an analysis of state actions or leaked memoranda. In the case of Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza, however, as the Law for Palestine database shows, people with command authority have been making genocidal statements repeatedly over the past three months.
They have dehumanised Palestinians in their rhetoric, and painted the population in Gaza, as a whole, as Israel’s enemy. Bolstered by the hubris of settler colonial power and the knowledge that it has killed, maimed, destroyed, expelled, humiliated, imprisoned and dispossessed with more than seven decades of impunity and by the continued material and moral support of the United States, Israelis are explicit and unashamed about their genocidal intent because they have imagined and prosecuted a war against people who they see as colonised “savages”.
Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant described Palestinians precisely in this way, as “human animals”, in his proclamation of the “total siege” on October 9. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Gaza as “the city of evil” on October 7, and then on December 24, framed Israel’s attack as a fight against “monsters”. “This is a battle, not only of Israel against these barbarians, it is a battle of civilisation against barbarism,” he said.
Israeli President Isaac Herzog said a few weeks earlier, on December 5, that Israel’s attack on Gaza is “a war that is intended, really, truly, to save western civilisation… [from] an empire of evil”.
Netanyahu and other senior Israeli ministers have left no doubt that saving “Western civilisation” requires the total destruction of the Palestinians in Gaza by describing them as the Biblical people of Amalek – a people perceived in whole as an enemy that must be destroyed – and as Nazis.
How does it feel being on the wrong side of history?
They found it plausible under a standard presumption that all facts alleged were true. South Africa’s complaint is filled with circular reasoning and citations to sources that don’t say with South Africa supposes they say. Such as article after article of unconfirmed reports.
Plausibility is not probability.
Kids die in war. Yes, it’s very sad, and I see how upset you are. We get it, you must be a very good person. I’m sorry Hamas made the news so upsetting. All this horseshit you’re talking about me being some person who thinks 12,000 kids deserve to die is you being small and emotional.
Hmm. The international tradition on allied leafleting is that is was a war crime? That’s interesting. And yet it wasn’t a war crime that anybody got hung for, is it? Probably has something to do with the allies not being the people who put kids in harms way. Gaza could have kept to itself or elected someone other than Hamas (who immediately cancelled all future elections) and it would have been a post-Arab-spring young developing nation right now. We could have done as we did when South Africa finally came around, and sent our best and brightest there to help draft a new Constitution. Instead it chose a religious dictatorship to whom the concept of a written constitution of laws is religious infidelity, punishable by death. Instead, Gaza chose suicide bombings, mass shootings of civilians, and Hamas® brand Martyrdom,™ aka “instead of evacuating let’s all have family gatherings and silence our cell phones so we can protect our brave Hamas heroes hiding under our house!”
You can take all 12,000 kids and put them right at the foot of Hamas’s leadership of Gaza. I’m sure they’d have of “oh no it’s the consequences of our own actions” before they revert to your logic of “why would Joe Biden do this?”
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look. i butt heads with that user, too. i think they are blinded by their biases, and end up spreading false and misleading information due to that fact. BUT this factional-trolling accusation shit has got to stop. it creates a toxic environment. it’s a personal attack, which is prohibited in most of the communities on .world, but more than that, it has become so ubiquitous it is also functioning as a thought-terminating cliche.
please, please, don’t do this.
i can’t count how many time’s i’ve been called a republican shill, a russian shill, a hamas shill, or a bot. i’ve even emailed the admins of .world, asking them to try to reign this in. i don’t know what to do about it, but i am asking you to join me and elevate the discourse just a little.
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did you find an allusion to ad hominem in my comment somewhere?
I did, yes.
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Your first sentence immediately you’re putting words in my mouth again. Are you competent or what?
Bud, you can find anything on the internet. Your link spam is not persuasive.
Maybe if you let your lizard brain stop straw manning me for five seconds you’ll realize you’re tilting at windmills.
And dude lol at your attempt at deciphering the UN order. Honestly what do you do for work and what’s your education because it’s obviously not this. Why you pretending?
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I am so disappointed at @JustZ@lemmy.world. We both like crows, we both like John Donne, we both share a lot probably, yet Palestinians like me are okay to starve and kill in his head. I would not feel safe meeting him in person ever. I don’t think he would hurt me, but I think if I got sniped in the head right next to him, he would just say “HAMAS” and walk away.
Meanwhile, Israel is starving Gazans to death.