• hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest
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    11 months ago

    They could get the credit for releasing the hostages even if a bombing later destroys the Red Cross building.

    You’re not giving an honest answer. How can you release a hostage to somewhere that isn’t safe? Why not just release them inside Gaza 2 minutes from the building where their being held? What if they get attacked on the way to release the hostage?

    Your answer is cute and works for middle school dodgeball but doesn’t work in a world where governments actively engage in disinformation campaigns

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      11 months ago

      They have the options of releasing hostages. They could live stream the entire thing. They could bring a reporter along. They could demonstrate their intention.

      And yes there’s active bombings, but the probability is they would be able to make it to a UN compound, or the Red Cross.

      The fact that they were able to release two hostages I believe it was yesterday, through the Red Cross, demonstrates they can.

      I only take issue with the fact that they said they were unable to release hostages without Israeli support. Clearly that’s not true, as they demonstrated yesterday by the release of two hostages to the Red Cross

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        11 months ago

        They could live stream the entire thing.

        With what internet my guy? Gaza’s sole power station ran out of fuel on the 11th. Any backups are being used for hospitals.

        They could bring a reporter along. They could demonstrate their intention.

        Alright and what happens with the reporter, the red cross workers and the hostages are murdered in a knife attack 45 minutes after being dropped off by Hamas? Who are you blaming? Who is the global theater blaming? Realistically there is no live streaming anymore so if no one uploads the footage later how are you even gonna know this happened?

        The fact that they were able to release two hostages I believe it was yesterday, through the Red Cross, demonstrates they can.

        can != should. Could yesterday != can today.

        Clearly that’s not true, as they demonstrated yesterday by the release of two hostages to the Red Cross

        How did they not have Israeli support?

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          11 months ago

          They didn’t indicate they had Israeli support, the news article didn’t say it, and then Israeli government didn’t

          But that’s immaterial, everything has risk. Everything. You might have a heart attack in the next 30 seconds. It’s just part of life. We do what we can within our bounds.

          Pointing out that hamas is lying about needing Israeli permission to release hostages shouldn’t be a strong political take we have to debate forever.

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            11 months ago

            They didn’t indicate they had Israeli support, the news article didn’t say it, and then Israeli government didn’t

            Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

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              11 months ago

              Hamas does not need Israeli cooperation to release people to third party organizations within the Gaza strip

              Pointing out the hamas’s lying when they say they’re not getting Israeli cooperation and they can’t do the thing they just demonstrated they can do, is a requirement of every critical thinker.