That’s the story for virtually every refugee in existence, the vast majority getting zero support. The USA has created tens of millions of them in the past few years. Which terrorist acts have they committed?
“It’s completely reasonable to attack your benefactors!” What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah who could think there’s anything wrong with Joe’s mental faculties? Conspiracy nutcases am I right?
Black people in America should try this too.
Maybe you should live in a democracy where you’d get that choice.
Well of course he wouldn’t? Does anyone still believe in Russiagate? Aren’t there enough real things to pin on Trump that you shouldn’t need to resort to making stuff up?
This little wanker is threatening Europeans with terrorism? WTF?
No, it’s propaganda to maintain that this is meaningful or significant.
Russia is, indeed, having ammo problems. Asking North Korean for Korean War era stocks is absolutely not something a country who felt comfortable with their stocks of ammo would do.
I’m going to go ahead and bet this is another lie you were told. Ok I googled. It literally starts with “White House Says…” jesus man.
Russia, with a significantly larger Air Force cannot gain air superiority.
Significantly larger than zero, yes. What do you mean? Russia has all the air superiority?
It’s absurd that they could not before the NATO armaments showed up, and again, that they effectively cannot attack the civilian power supply shows NATO weapons outcompete Russian offensive firepower. Russia could not hold an island against a country with no navy!
It’s very hard to understand what you’re trying to say but I remember being told that they were attacking themselves in the nuclear plant. Remember that hilarious bullshit?
And if Ukraine is not advancing
Ok they’re advancing alright a couple of kilometers per 10k lives. Nice attrition rate. The Robotyne crap is just propaganda. They’ve got nothing but a kettle that’s soon to be destroyed. How do you believe any of this? They have you supporting Nazis ffs. Get your head out of the news and think for yourself.
You can read in more detail about that infinitesimal advance here.
Ukraine’s military said on Monday that its forces had retaken the southern village of Robotyne, a tactical victory that underlines the immense challenge Kyiv’s counteroffensive faces in punching through deep and dense Russian defenses.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive that began in early June has advanced only a few miles southward to reach Robotyne, in intense fighting with heavy casualties and equipment losses, and a similar distance on another axis to the east. The ultimate target of the thrust to Robotyne is the city of Melitopol, about 45 miles farther south, and more layers of Russian defenses lie in the way.
This is the topographic map. They’ve walked into the lowest lying aread surrounded on all sides by higher ground.
This is what they got for months of throwing tens of thousands of lives into the meat grinder for burgerland. Bravo!
But Russia ran out of ammunition last year didn’t they? Is the Ghost of Kiev not enough to guarantee air superiority? After all, he killed Putin on Snake island already and we’re now on like the third body double or something? And Ukraine is gaining ground. Fucking lol. The shit you american scumbags believe…
Every single country in the region has disputed claims. Every one.
Forced into doing what? Beating the US at everything? Maybe go home yanks and look after your starving children? Or your sick who are dying for lack of basic medicine.
Regarding the “Nazi apologia
Oh it’s you! So you didn’t run away like you promised?
This you?
Russia, as they also have a “nazi problem”,
Trying to both sides Ukraine’s Nazism. Pathetic. Tell me, if they only got 2% of the vote, why did your rotten murderous scumbag country put Biletsky into power after your illegal Nazi coup? A guy who’s sworn that Ukraine’s national purpose is to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [inferior races]”?
Losing ground? You sure? Who told you to think that?
Anyway, my point remains, the US has been shown up to have a shit military with a shit capability. Here, this is a good one:
Too late losers. Remind me, when was the last war the yanks won?
‘NATO hasn’t shown up yet.’
No idea who you’re quoting here. NATO hasn’t shown up yet because the US are a nation of cowards using the poorest country in Europe as its puppet state to fight their fights for them.
Giving comfort is preventing nuclear war? Comfort me up then!
getting your defensive line breached and continuing to lose ground
Oh dear. And you’re accusing others of being in a propaganda bubble.
They’ve made a mockery of US/NATO’s military capabilities. That’s a win surely?
You’re not still believing in Russiagate are you lol?
Then they destroyed the most prosperous country in Africa and now it has open air human slave markets. Fucking yanks.
Next we’ll blame any war in the Pacific on the US too when China decides
I didn’t read the rest but this jumped out just as I was scrolling by. Behold comrades, pure zombie NPC.
I’d really like to continue this conversation about how Russia is totally blameless for the war they started (lol), but I have more important things to do. I’ll leave the thread here.
“I really am terrified of a discussion about this but I’m typing up a shitload of Nazi apologia anyway and then running away.”
Ukraine, with the resources and military they had, wanted war with a nuclear power with a much larger military?
Not only did they then, they still want to now. Are you not following this war? Several rounds of peace talks have been spurned by Ukraine now. When we say “they” of course we mean the fascist dictatorship that’s running the place, not all the people.
Was anyone in Ukraine even talking about war in 2014
Of course? More specifically they wanted to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen” and so forth, according to Andriy Biletzky for example. This is the type of guy who got put in power after the Nazi coup.
when Russia invaded Crimea and started that shit in the east?
I’m afraid you’ve been taken for a fool here. That’s not what happened. Independent Crimea invited Russia in to protect its citizens from the Nazi pogroms that had already started directly after the coup. Here you can read the people who live there’s polling. Around 15% considered themselves to be Ukrainian. Over 50% wanted a union with Russia compared with 17% with Ukraine.
Later a Pew research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.
Something doesn’t fit here.
Indeed. You should be annoyed at the people who lied to you.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Not the US, not NATO, not the EU, not China, not the bogeyman: it was Russia.
The USA overthrew Ukraine’s democracy and popularised a Nazi based ultranationalism. Not Russia or anyone else.
You should stop painting Russia as if they are a bunch of amateurs that can’t control themselves. They weren’t baited or provoked. They looked at the political situation in Ukraine and made the decision to invade, twice. Putin isn’t a moron, so presenting him as being played by the US or having no other choices makes no sense.
This again is just a product of propagandising and manipulation. I understand it’s hard to accept the scale of the lies, I really do. But accept it you must if you want to consider yourself to be a rational well informed person.
What would it take for me to convince you? A confession from the head of NATO or something?
Well you’re in luck. Stoltenberg confessed a couple of days ago.
During a speech at the EU Parliament’s foreign affairs committee on Thursday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg clearly and repeatedly acknowledged that Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine because of fears of NATO expansionism.
The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.
The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
In reality Stoltenberg is just stating a well established fact: contrary to the official western narrative, Putin invaded Ukraine not because he is evil and hates freedom but because no great power ever allows foreign military threats to amass on its borders — including the United States. That’s why so many western analysts and officials spent years warning that NATO’s actions were going to provoke a war, and yet when war broke out we were slammed with a tsunami of mass media propaganda repeating over and over and over again that this was an “unprovoked invasion”.
What’s happening is the consequence of a country invading another in order to expand their borders. Anyone (and I mean anyone) doing that should pay a heavy price so they learn the lesson.
What’s happening is that the US has gotten its latest war that it’s been pushing for for decades. It’s always the USA, always has been, except this time, right?
Scant few examples of them around these parts.
This one has layers. Slave exploitation of refugees and the threat of its removal. Wtf am I reading?