The Western world yet again fails to live up to its moral pedestal
I guess France’s state position is pro-apartheid and in support of multi-decade ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, then. Which, you know… tell me some thing new :(
The good news is that people in the world, as a whole, seem to be viewing this differently now than in the past. It’s the governments more than anything that are calling for blood. This suggests to me that the next generation of leaders might behave differently.
I’d noticed the same and was pleasantly surprised.
When this all broke out one my first thoughts was whether the post 9/11 experience would provide some balance in the west that would otherwise have been lacking. I feel like that might be true to an extent.
Even the national public news here is now posting fairly balanced articles and certainly doesn’t toe our government’s “pro israel no matter what” line. I was pleasantly surprised.
So sad that any good sentiment towards Palestine is instantly taken to be anti-israel. People are smart enough these days to understand the situation is not so black and white, there are good and bad on both sides and for a multitude of reasons.
That’s not the distinction you should be making.
It’s sad that any bad sentiment towards the Zionist regime is getting conflated with antisemitism. You don’t have to hate Jewish people to hate an apartheid state dead-set on ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Similarly, you don’t have to like how Hamas operates to sympathize with their goal of overthrowing said apartheid state.
So sad that any good sentiment
towards Palestinenot full-throatedly pro-Israel is instantly taken to be anti-israel.FTFY. For as long as I can remember, Israel has been doing shitty things and mischaracterizing any criticism as antisemitism.
Yep, that’s exactly the dumb, bullshit claims about antisemitism I was talking about. I can’t take any claims of antisemitism seriously when it’s really just anti-zionism or basic criticism of the authoritarian nature of Israel or just their inhumane treatment of the legal citizens so illegal settlers can steal their land.
I refuse to accept basic criticism of Israel as antisemitism, because that gives them an intellectually lazy rhetorical dodge to justify committing acts that their forebearers had once claimed ‘never again’.
Being anti-israel is the only moral position.
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You know, I often raise an eyebrow when Lemmy jumps straight to the “this action is directly fueled by racism!” Argument, but… well, this time I completely agree.
The basis of this ban, as far as I can gather, goes like this:
- Terrorism is bad, so pro-terrorist demonstrations are banned
- Palestine deliberately targetted & killed civilians in an ongoing, messy conflict
- Ergo, Palestine demonstrations are now banned
That third link in the chain of logic is what bothers me about what’s happening in France. Targetted mass killing of civilians during war is detestable… but it’s not terrorism. Calling Palestine a terrorist state on that basis is a double-standard – one which I can only conclude is driven by the fear of what Palestinians believe & look like.
Exactly, by that basis pro-Israeli protests should be banned too. They’ve done the exact same shit.
Can’t wait for all the Israeli apologists to come in here and act like Israel doesn’t purposely target civilian buildings with the excuse of “Hamas was hiding in there” while providing no proof and haven’t done it a countless number of times.
It’s not that Hamas isn’t a horrible organization, it’s that people act like Israelis haven’t also done horrible shit and committed war crimes. While also conflating Hamas with all Palestinians but going out of their way to separate the Israeli people from their government and Nehtanyahu.
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Fuck France and their bed bugs anyway.
