Shut up with that divisive BS. I never said I was liberal, I’m a democratic socialist. You’re clearly an authoritarian trying to divide us by starting arguments with your sockpuppet accounts. Nobody with half a brain is falling for it.
Liberal is defined as being a supporter of liberalism.
Liberalism is the dominant ideology in much of the world, which believes in Private Property Rights and thus supports the Capitalist Status Quo.
Liberalism was considered “left” during the French Revolution, against the Monarchy, but is now a right wing ideology as opposed to Socialism.
It doesn’t take being a “tankie” to know what Liberalism is, lmao. Definitely not a sockpuppet and certainly not susceptible to misinformation, you just generally are ill-informed and violently upset.
It’s not just a question of property rights though. There’s a ton of other things liberals believe in, including democracy, equality, freedom of speech, etc, all of which are categorically left wing.
Just because you disagree with one part of their philosophy doesn’t mean you should attack them. It’s divisive and hurts our chance (people on the left) of ever having a majority.
You defined Liberalism as simply “being on the left.” This is untrue, it’s a Capitalist ideology and therefore at minimum on the right. Liberalism may claim to be in favor of free speech and equality, but the fact that wealthy people control speech and inherently create class society proves this hollow.
I do disagree with Capitalism, I am a Socialist. Liberalism should be attacked. Leftism will become the majority as Capitalism continues to decline worldwide and inequality continues to skyrocket, individuals being “nicer” about spreading theory will not speed this process up. That belief is Utopianism.
It’s not a capitalist ideology any more than psychology is. Not everything that involves the concept of ownership is inherently capitalist.
We should be pushing for better lives for everyone, and socializing things that aren’t working is obviously the end goal. But calling everything that mentions something you don’t like capitalism is extremism, plain and simple. Not everything is black and white.
It is absolutely a Capitalist ideology, because Liberalism centers around Private Property Rights. The idea is “the freer the markets, the freer the people.” No, I do not mean Libertarianism.
We should be pushing for better lives for everyone, yes. Capitalism, the system by which competing Capital Owners exploit workers via taking the surplus value of their labor, is not working. Exploitation is rising, wages are stagnating with respect to productivity, and the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall is causing this exploitation to be exported to the Global South. This endless M-C-M’ circuit by which commodity production services accumulation into fewer and fewer hands results in obscene wealth and power in the hands of the few.
That’s Capitalism, and that’s what I oppose, and presumably you as well. I know very well what Capitalism is, why it’s bad, why it cannot last forever, and why Socialism is better.
Liberals aren’t on the left, it only seems that way to you because you percieve yourself as left yet support the status quo.
Shut up with that divisive BS. I never said I was liberal, I’m a democratic socialist. You’re clearly an authoritarian trying to divide us by starting arguments with your sockpuppet accounts. Nobody with half a brain is falling for it.
Holy moly, lmao. No, I am not a sockpuppet, nor am I an authoritarian. What in the world scratched you so much?
Also, all Socialism is democratic, do you mean you’re a reformist, or support Scandinavian style Social Democracy?
Liberal is literally defined as being on the left. So excuse me for assuming you’re a tankie spreading misinformation.
Also you’re definitely a sockpuppet or are just very susceptible to misinformation. So either way, not worth my time.
Here’s the Wikipedia page for liberalism, since you’ve clearly never seen it.
Liberal is defined as being a supporter of liberalism.
Liberalism is the dominant ideology in much of the world, which believes in Private Property Rights and thus supports the Capitalist Status Quo.
Liberalism was considered “left” during the French Revolution, against the Monarchy, but is now a right wing ideology as opposed to Socialism.
It doesn’t take being a “tankie” to know what Liberalism is, lmao. Definitely not a sockpuppet and certainly not susceptible to misinformation, you just generally are ill-informed and violently upset.
It’s not just a question of property rights though. There’s a ton of other things liberals believe in, including democracy, equality, freedom of speech, etc, all of which are categorically left wing.
Just because you disagree with one part of their philosophy doesn’t mean you should attack them. It’s divisive and hurts our chance (people on the left) of ever having a majority.
You defined Liberalism as simply “being on the left.” This is untrue, it’s a Capitalist ideology and therefore at minimum on the right. Liberalism may claim to be in favor of free speech and equality, but the fact that wealthy people control speech and inherently create class society proves this hollow.
I do disagree with Capitalism, I am a Socialist. Liberalism should be attacked. Leftism will become the majority as Capitalism continues to decline worldwide and inequality continues to skyrocket, individuals being “nicer” about spreading theory will not speed this process up. That belief is Utopianism.
It’s not a capitalist ideology any more than psychology is. Not everything that involves the concept of ownership is inherently capitalist.
We should be pushing for better lives for everyone, and socializing things that aren’t working is obviously the end goal. But calling everything that mentions something you don’t like capitalism is extremism, plain and simple. Not everything is black and white.
It is absolutely a Capitalist ideology, because Liberalism centers around Private Property Rights. The idea is “the freer the markets, the freer the people.” No, I do not mean Libertarianism.
We should be pushing for better lives for everyone, yes. Capitalism, the system by which competing Capital Owners exploit workers via taking the surplus value of their labor, is not working. Exploitation is rising, wages are stagnating with respect to productivity, and the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall is causing this exploitation to be exported to the Global South. This endless M-C-M’ circuit by which commodity production services accumulation into fewer and fewer hands results in obscene wealth and power in the hands of the few.
That’s Capitalism, and that’s what I oppose, and presumably you as well. I know very well what Capitalism is, why it’s bad, why it cannot last forever, and why Socialism is better.