The issue is how much energy fragile men spend getting all defensive about a dumb bear meme meant to illustrate how women feel instead of asking “why do women feel this way and how can I help with that?”
If you aren’t listening and exploring how to improve the situation and instead spend your time going “hey that’s not fair I’m not like that” and dropping flippant faux-innocent “I’m totally just curious” comments about how it’s “incoherent” (it’s not incoherent at all) you’re missing the entire point. It’s not about you.
Also it’s probably a safe bet that more women are hurt in encounters with men than bears (yes per capita) as bears generally don’t want to be around you in the first place. The entire dynamic is one of avoidance by both parties.
You’re just discarding every opinion as “toxic masculinity” which is actually worse than engaging in logical discourse.
I’ll do everything in my power to empower women and make them feel safe. This thought experiment has unfortunately been detrimental and used to attack men.
“It’s not you” - yes, and nothing I said made it about me at all. See how fast you went on the offense on a completely neutral comment? You should listen to your own advice and listen the points being made equally as much as you’re lobbying others to do.
Where did I do that? I’m talking about the people who do what I described. I did not say there is literally no other opinion. Show me where I said that.
“Logical discourse” please. The amount of “men aren’t bad it’s actually women” in this thread is absurd.
I read some of these, more to get insight into how other people think, but often I come to the conclusion that there is very little I can do to help and that people who behave that way aren’t people I want to help. My ego is just fine, thanks, but blind hostility isn’t something I welcome into my life.
The issue is how much energy fragile men spend getting all defensive about a dumb bear meme meant to illustrate how women feel instead of asking “why do women feel this way and how can I help with that?”
If you aren’t listening and exploring how to improve the situation and instead spend your time going “hey that’s not fair I’m not like that” and dropping flippant faux-innocent “I’m totally just curious” comments about how it’s “incoherent” (it’s not incoherent at all) you’re missing the entire point. It’s not about you.
Also it’s probably a safe bet that more women are hurt in encounters with men than bears (yes per capita) as bears generally don’t want to be around you in the first place. The entire dynamic is one of avoidance by both parties.
Congrats, you pass the bare minimum for human decency, dudes. Accept that part and you won’t spend time having to ‘defend’ yourself.
I’m not like that, so I don’t need to worry about it, type of thinking
You’re just discarding every opinion as “toxic masculinity” which is actually worse than engaging in logical discourse.
I’ll do everything in my power to empower women and make them feel safe. This thought experiment has unfortunately been detrimental and used to attack men.
“It’s not you” - yes, and nothing I said made it about me at all. See how fast you went on the offense on a completely neutral comment? You should listen to your own advice and listen the points being made equally as much as you’re lobbying others to do.
Where did I do that? I’m talking about the people who do what I described. I did not say there is literally no other opinion. Show me where I said that.
“Logical discourse” please. The amount of “men aren’t bad it’s actually women” in this thread is absurd.
I read some of these, more to get insight into how other people think, but often I come to the conclusion that there is very little I can do to help and that people who behave that way aren’t people I want to help. My ego is just fine, thanks, but blind hostility isn’t something I welcome into my life.