IIRC “books” were a medieval-period invention. Before the common era, everythign would have been scrolls or tablets. The first codices wouldn’t have existed until about 100BCE in Rome. So, assuming that this is (roughly) what a cuneiform tablet was saying, I wonder what the actual work used for ‘book’ was, and what more accurate translation there would be, if we had the relevant cultural understanding?
But, more so than that - the earliest proto-novel that we know of is The Tale of Genji, that dates to roughly the 11th century BCE. Which makes the question of what kind of ‘books’ this is supposed to refer to even more interesting.
maybe it’s “writing scrolls”, but this meme just swapped in the word book… it’s just the idea that instead of actually going out and achieving something new, people are satisfied with being commentators on the important events of the past…
I found this on skeptics stack exchange. Supposedly, it’s a hoax/urban legend that goes back way before the internet. (The entire stack exchange page on this topic is fun to read, btw)
The quote originally came from Prof. George T.W. Patrick of University of Iowa, who translated an ancient stone tablet into modern English and published in “Popular Science Monthly”, May 1913. The full text of the original can be found online at archive.org: https://archive.org/details/popularsciencemo82newy, page 493.
Another poster makes note of finding this in the following documents from the 1920s.
A November 1922 State of Connecticut Public Document 13: Report of the State Librarian (p 93)
A 1923/1924 book Nineteenth century evolution and after; a study of personal forces affecting the social process, in the light of the life-sciences and religion, by Marshall Dawson, which contains the quote (p 76)
There is some debate about whether Asyrria existed in 2800 B.C. (for example, a poorly cited Wikipedia entry suggests it was formed when the Akkadian Empire fell circa 2080 BC, while also suggesting it was a part of the earlier Akkadian Empire.)
The Tale of Gengi is for 11th century CE, not BCE.
I’m pretty sure this tablet is fake, but I do remember how similar people in those times were to us when I read the translated tablets from that period. One that I remember most was talking about a parent who tried to bribe a teacher to give his son better grades.
I’m curious though, why callt that the earliest? Going by the dictionary definition of a novel (A fictitious tale or narrative, longer than a short story, having some degree of complexity and development of characters; it is usually organized as a time sequence of events, and is commonly intended to exhibit the operation of the passions, and often of love), there are several ancient works that I’d think would fall into that category (or do epic poems not count?). I just checked Wikipedia and I see there’s a whole article on Ancient Greek novels.
IIRC “books” were a medieval-period invention. Before the common era, everythign would have been scrolls or tablets. The first codices wouldn’t have existed until about 100BCE in Rome. So, assuming that this is (roughly) what a cuneiform tablet was saying, I wonder what the actual work used for ‘book’ was, and what more accurate translation there would be, if we had the relevant cultural understanding?
But, more so than that - the earliest proto-novel that we know of is The Tale of Genji, that dates to roughly the 11th century BCE. Which makes the question of what kind of ‘books’ this is supposed to refer to even more interesting.
Or–alternatively–is it just a shitpost?
What makes it a proto novel compared to Greek or Indian mythology texts?
It’s both fictional, and known to be fictional. Mythology texts are more like the bible; they’re believed to be true.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/was-this-quote-on-a-clay-tablet-about-unruly-kids-written-by-an-assyrian
TL;DR: it’s probably not Assyrian at least, and it’s likely it’s either a mistranslation of something or a complete fabrication
maybe it’s “writing scrolls”, but this meme just swapped in the word book… it’s just the idea that instead of actually going out and achieving something new, people are satisfied with being commentators on the important events of the past…
I found this on skeptics stack exchange. Supposedly, it’s a hoax/urban legend that goes back way before the internet. (The entire stack exchange page on this topic is fun to read, btw)
Another poster makes note of finding this in the following documents from the 1920s.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/was-this-quote-on-a-clay-tablet-about-unruly-kids-written-by-an-assyrian
The Tale of Gengi is for 11th century CE, not BCE.
I’m pretty sure this tablet is fake, but I do remember how similar people in those times were to us when I read the translated tablets from that period. One that I remember most was talking about a parent who tried to bribe a teacher to give his son better grades.
Don’t forget the Egyptian tablet recording work absences from 1250 BCE. Not much has changed.
Yes, you are entirely correct, that was a typo on my part.
I’m curious though, why callt that the earliest? Going by the dictionary definition of a novel (A fictitious tale or narrative, longer than a short story, having some degree of complexity and development of characters; it is usually organized as a time sequence of events, and is commonly intended to exhibit the operation of the passions, and often of love), there are several ancient works that I’d think would fall into that category (or do epic poems not count?). I just checked Wikipedia and I see there’s a whole article on Ancient Greek novels.
Assyria didn’t exist in 2800 BCE, either.
I wanted to give it credit and think “maybe it was from the region that would become Assyria,” but, sadly, it’s just the Internet lying.