• John_McMurray@lemmy.world
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    Someone doesn’t. A lot of people don’t, it seems. Saying shit like “fascists hate government” and various other non sequiturs.

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        5 months ago

        Not if you use the words actual meaning. In which case Justin Trudeau is and Trump is just a fucking asshole/criminal.

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            No, I just know what words mean and have a fairly decent knowledge of policy each has championed. Trumps never passed legislation restricting free speech, actively combined government and corporate power in a very Mussolini way, frozen his political opponents bank accounts and removed the need for probable cause in exchange for the whim of the police. Trudeau has.

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              Okay well first Fascism and fascism are different. You’re talking about Fascism.

              In the same way America is a Republic and we have democracies.

              So back the point Trump is a fascist which is worse than a Fascist.

              Mussolini is a Fascist, that was his political beliefs and platform.

              Hitler is a fascist in the way he wielded government power much like Trump i.e. overthrowing the government, cult of personality, expression of hateful nationalism (nativism), “might is right” type rule.

              The big issue here is Trump isn’t a Fascist because he has no government platform, how can he be anything when he stands for nothing?

              He is a fascist in the way he presented his presidency.

              Case and point: Insurrection, St.John’s Church, every time he expressed violence rhetoric.

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                (That’s an authoritarian. Hitler and Mussolini were very, very similar politically, both Fascists. (it’s the same word capitilized or not))

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                  No it isn’t you don’t know the word. Google it. Capitalizing it does matter.

                  Trump is a fascist. Trudeau is not a fascist. If you don’t understand that, then that is that.

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                    I have no horse in this race, but as an Italian, I think you are actually misusing the word. Your explanation also showed that, when you called fascism (honestly, there is no distinction with capital letter…) a platform. Fascism is a method to conduct politics, it’s not an ideology per se. In general, it’s a violent way to impose political decisions, which entails the suppression of political opposition with violence, repression, censoring and suppression of freedoms, a cult of the state which embodies the authority, a call to tradition and religion etc. While there are these common traits, there is not really a common base ideology on top of which fascist governments through history have based their politics. Franco in Spain was different from Mussolini, who was different from Hitler.

                    Under this lens, one could argue that Trump can still be seen as a fascist, I guess. I personally find it easier to use the term for Orban in Hungary, for example, or for Putin.