Then call it reproductive success instead of dishonestly causing it evolutionary success. And I didn’t state that evolution requires or doesn’t require anything, you brought that up - we’re talking about whether it’s considered successful, which is a philosophical question.
Artificial selection is not a reflection of a species’ ability to survive in the natural world and to me that is not an example of success over the longer, think-billions-of-years, term.
Weirdly enough evolution doesn’t care about long term success. It only cares about short term success leading to local maximums. If evolution cared about long term success humans would have optic nerves that faced the right way and no cancer, but that was sacrificed during evolution.
Oh and all of animal evolution had happened in less than a billion years.
You’re implying that I’m making a case for evolution achieving some sort of perfection, and linking that to a definition of success, which, again, isn’t what I said.
If you can’t have an honest conversation about it then I’m not interested. I don’t doubt that you understand evolution, you’ve said enough to demonstrate that, but you certainly do not understand the point I’m making.
Then call it reproductive success instead of dishonestly causing it evolutionary success. And I didn’t state that evolution requires or doesn’t require anything, you brought that up - we’re talking about whether it’s considered successful, which is a philosophical question.
Artificial selection is not a reflection of a species’ ability to survive in the natural world and to me that is not an example of success over the longer, think-billions-of-years, term.
Weirdly enough evolution doesn’t care about long term success. It only cares about short term success leading to local maximums. If evolution cared about long term success humans would have optic nerves that faced the right way and no cancer, but that was sacrificed during evolution.
Oh and all of animal evolution had happened in less than a billion years.
You’re implying that I’m making a case for evolution achieving some sort of perfection, and linking that to a definition of success, which, again, isn’t what I said.
If you can’t have an honest conversation about it then I’m not interested. I don’t doubt that you understand evolution, you’ve said enough to demonstrate that, but you certainly do not understand the point I’m making.
And billions was an autocorrect.
Then what is the point you are trying to make? You seem to have an agenda here, but I don’t see how it fits into the original conversation.