• markus99@lemmy.worldOP
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    11 months ago

    Previous posts in Lemmyshitpost was deleted when someone commented about the USS Liberty Attack.

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    Israel routinely attacks US enemies, like Syria and Iran, in behalf of the US without the US having to get its hands dirty.

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      For example, we happily let dual citizens of Israel and American citizens with loyalty to Israel occupy many important positions in our government! We seem to be fine when those people make decisions and policies placing Israeli interests over our own.

      That’s real cooperation!

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    That’s not the reason they’re a valuable ally. The US has enough bodies in its military. Israel is a friendly port

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    Let me preface. I do not support the actions and stances of Israel, towards those in Gaza and the West Bank.

    While Israel doesn’t support the US with many or any ‘boots on the ground,’ or ground military vehicles. Instead, it has been a strong ally to the US, providing cyber security/attack/surveillance capabilities.

    According to the Director of Military Sciences at the Royal United Services Institute, “Unit 8200 is probably the foremost technical intelligence agency in the world and stands on a par with the NSA in everything except scale.”

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    “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.”

    ~Alexander Haig

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      Also the US was trying to get Egypt aligned with them for decades. They kinda gave up on that after a while. Then Israel offers the US Egyptian alignment on a silver platter at Camp David.

      Everyone talks a lot about the Six Days war because it’s one of the most effective military campaigns of all time. But the Yom Kippur war was the war that fundamentally changed Middle East diplomacy. And it changed in favour of the US.

      But that’s too boring, so people prefer antisemitic conspiracy theories straight out of Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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    If I’m surrounded by enemies, why am I deploying my defenders elsewhere and weakening myself?

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    It was also not encouraged by the US. In the Gulf Wars we had several Arab countries as allies that would not fight with Israeli even on paper.

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      This is the answer. The IDF might have sent a brigade or two for a rotation in Iraq… But the middle east would have exploded even harder.

      The US needs to keep the peace with the Saudis, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt, as well as shore up relations with other Muslim countries like Pakistan and Indonesia (fun fact: Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country).

      And then there is the hearts and minds effort with the locals. You can at least pretend to not be an Israeli puppet to the Iraqis, and maybe they’ll believe you, but that’s hard to sell if the actual Golani Brigade is driving through Tikrit.

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    Israel is an ideal partner for diplomacy and peace in the region. If other countries want to stop fucking with oil prices for political gain, or simply stop funding terrorism, they’re welcome to step up.

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    Listen children, Israel has offered.

    There’s a massive antisemitism problem in the Arab world. Having the IDF as part of a military operation there would not win over hearts and minds of the Arab street.

    You’re too young to remember the first Iraq war when Saddam Hussein launched his SCUD missiles not at the US which was attacking Iraq, but at Israel. Because he wanted to draw Israel into the conflict so that more people in the Middle East would support him.

    Israel would help the US in these conflicts, but the US doesn’t want it because the hatred of Jews in the Arab world would mean that help would do more harm than good. This is a thing that’s known to everyone that hasn’t learned about the middle east from just internet memes.

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      How does that invalidate what was said? No Israeli troops have helped us in the Middle East. Does it matter which excuse is used when the end result is the same?

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      What a telling statement consisting of only weird fabrications of your mind lol

      Can you name a single source showcasing that this is even remotely true and has ever been even considered as a reason?

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        As shocking as it may be to believe there are things that happened before news was routinely posted on the internet. It is still possible to get this information but it would take a lot of time and effort. Are you going to pay me for this time?

        I’ve seen things live on TV news before you were born, child. If you’re choosing not to believe people’s experiences when they don’t conform to your internet memes, don’t demand people to spend a lot of time and effort into proving it to you for free. You’re likely to just make more excuses to reject the truth even when you see it.

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          Lol so basically admitting you are unable to find any information and have resorted to a call to authority of some made up sources you" had" access to or def 100% "experienced

          Btw why the fuck would anyone believe anonymous information from someone reluctant to back it. You can say literally anything but that doesn’t make it grounded dip shit

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      This is such an insane cope. The US is the official snarling dog of Israel, and has been for *checks notes - 70+ years.

      The military aid, the “humanitarian aid” (free fucking money), the degree to which Israeli interests and operatives control our domestic and foreign policies, the backing of Israeli no matter the atrocity they commit; you think Arabs don’t know about all this? If not for the US being a giant stinking golem Israel would have been destroyed decades ago.

      I wouldn’t want Israel’s help in combat anyway. Soldiers who specialize in wearing diapers and shooting children are not much help.

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          I’m gonna assume by not pro-Isreal you mean triggered by any implications Israel and the US are complicit in genocide

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            I’m going to assume the useless rhetoric he posted discredits anyone trying to have meaningful discourse on the subject and makes it impossible to get any meaningful action. He didn’t say anything with any intention to address what he was replying to. He was just barking like a shrill dog and if I didn’t know any better I would say he was actively sabotaging discourse in favor of muddying the waters in Israel’s favor.

            It doesn’t escape me that your useless post is also just a re-worded, ‘u mad bro?’ So fuck you and the bot army you rode your dick in on.

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              Cool so you respond to a comment responsive to the original comment with a non responsive “Shut the fuck up”. Yet you think that not only are you are in a good spot to shout bot army but clearly project barking like a shrill dog like that isn’t what you are.

              Also you missed saying a re-worded ‘u triggered?’… Be better

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        Actually checking notes… 70 years puts us back to the Suez Crisis. That time where Israel took control of the Sinai peninsula as part of some crazy French plan for them and the UK to exert colonial power over Egypt. The US was not informed and was positively livid about the whole debacle, because they were trying to use soft power (funding construction of the Aswan dam) to get Egypt to align with the US (Cold War geopolitics stuff). The US demanded Israel to return the Sinai to Egypt, which they did. Of course the soft power thing didn’t work out, and the US came to believe it was a mistake to demand Israel return the Sinai. When Israel took the Sinai again in the Six Days war the US didn’t demand it be returned after that. After the Yom Kippur war, Israel had Egypt by the balls. Egypt had to choose between making peace with Israel, aligning with the US or losing most it’s army which Israel had surrounded. Egypt chose peace with Israel and alignment with the US and the Sinai was returned once again.

        In terms of aid, yes Israel usually gets the most, but notice how Egypt gets the second most? Interesting isn’t it? Almost as if there was an agreement made in 1978 about this.

        You see the US wants Egypt, the most populous country in the Arab world to be on their side. But it’s a trust but verify kind of thing where they want Israel to get more to make sure Egypt doesn’t do the whole play both sides kind of thing they had a history of doing in the cold war. Not that I blame Egypt for playing both the US and the Soviet Union, it’s just how the game is played. But making the moves the US did to ensure a country won’t change alignment so they can have a war with a historical enemy is part of that same game.

        If not for the US being a giant stinking golem Israel would have been destroyed decades ago.

        Aid from the US represents somewhere around 20% of Israel’s military budget. Losing that aid would hurt, but Israel’s economy could make up for that shortfall and no longer being required to buy from the US military industrial complex would mean they could seek out cheaper alternatives. Israel has the technological capabilities to develop their own weapons systems, which would mean less money leaving their economy. Pretty much all of the aid the US sends is ultimately returned to the US economy now, that wouldn’t be a stipulation of an Israeli weapons program that the US isn’t contributing to.

        Suffice it to say Israel would continue to exist without US support. But since the agreement between the US and Israel is mutually beneficial it will continue. No need to delve into the over a century old Protocols of the Elders of Zion for an explanation. If actually take the time to read how the relationship formed to (no, it didn’t just happen for no reason 70+ years ago) you won’t be going down weird antisemitic rabbit holes anymore.

        Soldiers who specialize in wearing diapers and shooting children are not much help.

        Proves my point about how weird ideas steeped in antisemitism limits how much Israel can help the US with conflicts in the Arab world.